Quote Originally Posted by crow_noir
Just reading through what you cross posted Blackrose. What give me pause is how this guy seems intent on "holding" the punishment. Do people forget so easily that when a dog is "correcting" another dog it is a mere few tiny seconds or milliseconds. Why should we do any different. The only time a dog is "holding" a punishment is when it is an aggressive dog continuing the punishment. (With the exception of time outs. Even then dogs giving time outs to other dogs generally give them for shorter time period then humans to. Some of the time periods humans give would be the equivalent of telling a dog it's banished from the pack.)
This was a thought that crossed my mind as well. I use "punishment", or correction, with Chloe. Trust me, I used all positive training with her, we'd get no where.

But from all that I have read and experienced, when you correct a dog, you should use the least amount of correction possible and as SOON as the dog shows the slightest sign of "okay, okay, I understand", you stop. For instance, your dog has a toy it isn't supposed to have. You don't scold the dog and keep yelling at it even when its ears are back and it is hunkered down.
If the dog is jumping on people, you don't pinch its webbing until it yelps if before the yelping it is trying in every possible way to be submissive. That just teaches the dog that its signals are being ignored.
I don't agree with punishing a dog for jumping to begin with....it thinks it is doing a good thing, but then you are punishing it without teaching it what you want first. I'm sure if every time Chloe jumped (she is a SPRING POLE!) on someone and they pinched her feet she'd stop jumping, but she'd be terrified of people...you touch the cookie sheet coming out of the oven and get burnt that doesn't stop you from baking cookies, but it does teach you to be afraid of the cookie sheet.