Pregnant Scottish Terrier

[ScottieMommy]

I know you all complain about me and all, i know this was a HUGE mistake. But before you go off at me read this post i added in my other forum please.

And no i was NOT showing anything off to anyone.
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I read a website for Wizzard and Claws i believe it was, they get their "stock" as they like to call it from puppymills so they changed their name because lots of owners where complaining that puppies where dying. They sold them for over $1000 and up to $5000!!!! When they where on "sale" they went for $600 or so. Anyways i saw the order form puppymills gave this place. Some read like this

Maltese Puppies 2 for $500
Shih Tzu Puppies $250 each buy 2 get third FREE!
Dalmatian $300 each get second half price!!

Can you actually believe this? By the way then the Maltese was sold for $2500 or more. And the order form was exacly like ordering a book or so. You checked off how many you wanted and what breeds.

But in their new website they say they are a reputable breeder and every dog is loved and cared for. Thats a BIG lie they dont even own their parents. They also show pictures of celebrities of who bought puppies there and are very happy with them and also of costumers. I am sure the celeb photos are fake and the rest are as well. They have to keep changing their name because more people are complaining. Is an online pet store too!

if you want the whole scoop on this please visit the website below.

http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/

How they order their puppies!

http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/How...e_Ordered.html

How much puppies are actually worth and how much they sell them for.

http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/Pup...tual_Cost.html

You can visit first link for more.

[Ginger's Mom]

Many of us are aware that puppy mills and agents exist. It is a horrible thing, and if the owner of a puppy mill or an agent posted on here they would probably meet with a lot of opposition. I am not sure what the purpose of your above post is other than to make us aware of the practice. It doesn't change anything.

(Let me tell you something i ALWAYS post in threads. I had a 6 year old Dalmatian who got pregnant without me even knowing, i was not caring for her i was away. No one ever told me she mated. I NEVER took her to the vet because she was not acting strange, she was mellow like always and did not show any signs, was not time for a yearly check up or shots. I believe 63 days later she had the first puppy in my bed and went all the way to 7! Sadly two where born dead the rest where happy and healthy. She had them without any special care through the pregnancy because i did NOT know she was expecting)

It is hard to tell when you are quoting someone and when you are "speaking" for yourself. Since I do not see this mentioned anywhere else in this thread I assume it is you that is stating this. So this isn't the first time that you had an unspayed female become pregnant by "accident." What happened to the five surviving puppies, did you keep them? Are you financially prepared to care for five puppies as they grow into dogs if that happens again?

[RedyreRotties]

bottom line is, ScottieMommie, you have lied, mishandled your bitch, and irresponsible either bred her intentionally or carelessly allowed it to happen.

Then you come here, ask questions, and then when you don't like the answers you got (same at at PDGS), you get your back all up and get rude and defensive.

Your bitch has unverifiable background, is from a questionable source, is too young to be bred, has not had appropriate health testing, and should not be bred AT ALL, much less with a dog of a different breed. The smart thing to do is to SPAY your bitch. The very LEAST to do is have an ultrasound or a Relaxin blood test to determine if she is ACTUALLY in whelp.

You should also keep in mind that there are numerous complications that can happen during whelping and post whelping, up to and including the death of the bitch and/or all the puppies. Things happen like malpresentations, uterine inertia, emergency C sections, cleft palates, intestines on the outside of the body, mothers who have not enough milk, or no milk, or poison milk that kills all the puppies, eclampsia (which can kill a bitch after delivery), uterine infections post parturition (which can cause poison milk, and kill all the puppies and the bitch).

If you get through whelping safely, then you must get the puppies raised. Scotty bitches can be quite territorial with puppies, so be ready for that. You will need dewormer, vaccines, tail docking and dew claw removal by 3 days of age. If you don't keep your house quarantined, your puppies can make 5 weeks old only to die of Parvo or Distemper before they are old enough to be vaccinated.

Most of the time breeding dogs is about DEATH right along with new life. All breeders know that every breeding can mean the life of their bitch. I hope you don't have to find that out the hard way like so many people have.

[ScottieMommy]

Thanks Redeye for the consern. Like i said this is not my first time. I had a pregnant Dalmatian once and if you read the story you would know =] Nothing of what you listed happend. BUT there is always a first time for everything. By the way why would i have their tails docked? Scotties dont have docked tails. It is a preference. By the way if you mend it that way.

[critter crazy]

Thanks Redeye for the consern. Like i said this is not my first time. I had a pregnant Dalmatian once and if you read the story you would know =] Nothing of what you listed happend. BUT there is always a first time for everything. By the way why would i have their tails docked? Scotties dont have docked tails. It is a preference. By the way if you mend it that way.

Okay so Like this poster asked..................

So this isn't the first time that you had an unspayed female become pregnant by "accident." What happened to the five surviving puppies, did you keep them? Are you financially prepared to care for five puppies as they grow into dogs if that happens again?

[Pam]

I really don't even know why you came to this board. You have now had two female dogs get pregnant, then you ask for advice and then get mad when it is given.

Most, if not all, of the people on this board have their pets spayed/neutered as soon as the vet gives the OK (appropriate ages vary by vet). I am amazed that you did not have that done for your female(s). If you had done that, this thread wouldn't even exist.

We are not veterinarians here but again most, if not all, of the people on this board totally rely on their veterinarian and would not come here seeking medical advice. If you are relying on a group of people on the internet I really feel sorry for your dog and puppies. Responsible people spay/neuter and consult with their veterinarian when they have problems, questions or concerns. I really don't even understand why you started this thread.

[ScottieMommy]

First of all i wanted a second opinion. YES or coarse she has been to the vet, how do you think i found out her pregnancy chances? How do you think she gets her check ups? Shots? and so on.

Really how do i close this thread? Is pointless i know. Also if anyone wants an update i will update when she turns 6 weeks pregnant (if she is) on September 19th.

[Karen]

First of all i wanted a second opinion. YES or coarse she has been to the vet, how do you think i found out her pregnancy chances? How do you think she gets her check ups? Shots? and so on.

Really how do i close this thread? Is pointless i know. Also if anyone wants an update i will update when she turns 6 weeks pregnant (if she is) on September 19th.

If you want to close a thread, you ask the moderator.

[crow_noir]

I find it disgusting that there are people here that think that those that have different opinions or even possibly undereducated about what really goes on in the pet world don't have a right to come and post on this forum.

It is sickening how RUDE and forcefully opinionated many here have been.

I think a lot more could be accomplished if y'all would take newcomers gently under your wings and guide them in the right direction. You know "... more flies with honey."

Realistically all you do by alienating and angering newcomers that have bred is make them bitter towards the spay/neuter crowd. ...possibly making it less likely that they'll do rescue in the future. You miss out a great opportunity to make their pets' lives better.

Rather than throwing venom filled opinions, why not be kind with your words? Use some tact people! Educate and post facts. (Not just statistics and preaching.)

I really don't even know why you came to this board. You have now had two female dogs get pregnant, then you ask for advice and then get mad when it is given.

Most, if not all, of the people on this board have their pets spayed/neutered as soon as the vet gives the OK (appropriate ages vary by vet). I am amazed that you did not have that done for your female(s). If you had done that, this thread wouldn't even exist.

We are not veterinarians here but again most, if not all, of the people on this board totally rely on their veterinarian and would not come here seeking medical advice. If you are relying on a group of people on the internet I really feel sorry for your dog and puppies. Responsible people spay/neuter and consult with their veterinarian when they have problems, questions or concerns. I really don't even understand why you started this thread.

[Pam]

\ don't have a right to come and post on this forum.

I never said that she didn't have a right to post on this forum. I am just wondering why she chose to. She seems to know about BYB and puppy mills and all the rest, so it is/was surprising to me that she would think of planning a mixed litter and then telling her story on a board of pet lovers. I have nothing more to say on this matter and will not open this thread again.

[wolfsoul]

Breeding is not just about cute puppies. There is alot of heartache involved. Hopefully you don't find out the hard way. A good breeder breeds for the better of the breed. And they make themselves comfortable with the fact that their breeding program always comes before their dogs. Can you honestly tell yourself that you will be okay if your dogs dies giving birth? Or dies after mastitis goes unnoticed and the infection gets into her bloodstream? Or dies because a stillborn puppy remained in her uterus and started an infection? When you breed a dog, you have to know the risks involved. Those of us that do it for the better of the breed have to look at the breed as a whole and continue looking at the future, and while we love our dogs dearly and do the best we can, bad things still happen. It doesn't stop most of us because the future of the breed is still important to us.
You don't even have a breed to better when breeding mixes. So what is important to you? What makes you put your dog's life at risk?
If you can't answer these questions, how canyou expect to deal with the real thing?
Breeding can have great rewards..But it can have it's heartaches. Just prepare yourself for the worst. And in the future, make better decisions. I will always regret breeding my first litter before I knew the pedigree well enough. I spent thousands, and ended up with singleton puppy I am now placing due to temperament problems that could have been avoided...IF I had done my research properly. I will never make the same mistake again, because in the end it is the dogs that end up hurting. I'd also recommend fostering. Before your start adding to the population...It is good to help out those without homes.