Breeding ?

[mike001]

$$$$ sounds like a very pitiful excuse to breed your dog. We already have enough people doing that, all it does is fill the shelters, unless they die of starvation in a bush somewhere. Please try to make your hubby that it would be a grave mistake to do this.
Again, if your dog is not titled , hasn't been proven to be breedworthy, etc. then please reconsider. We surely have enough byb.
I browse another rather informal forum where they encourage mixed breedings, breeding of a purebred with no proven background, no breedworthiness testing, etc and I fing it disgusting to say the least. But the forum consists mainly of byb who just love their doggies to death and think they are fabulous enough to breed....in my opinion this is doing a great diservice to the dog owners in general.
If your dog is not proven, does not meet the standard, is not titled or tested then do not breed.

[buttercup132]

Your breeding for money = byb
Your dog isn't standard to the breed = byb
If you are trying to do it the right way then you will be spending more money then you make which by the sounds of it you can't afford.
Why can't you just say no to him?

[Scooter's Mom]

Why can't you just say no to him?

I can, but you should try being married and have two opinions that clash sometimes before you jump to conclusions about how I can't say no. Marriage isn't about saying "YES and NO" all the time. Sometimes compromises have to be made, and sometimes to make a statement, you have to become more educated so that your reasons make more sense in a discussion.

However, I thought I might find some information FIRST, so that I could go into the discussion with good information other than just me saying "I don't think it's a good idea." So, please forgive me for asking a few questions in order to obtain a little more info. before I took my discussion back to my hubby. I'm one of the people out there that actually likes to have as much information at hand before I get started on a discussion with someone.

Crystal

[Giselle]

I know these aren't the answers you want to hear, but your initial question was asking us how to ensure that you don't become or breed to a BYB. It wasn't asking for information to help persuade your husband not to breed.

Firstly, there is a reason why Oreo is not neutered. If you got him from a good breeder, there would've been a part in the contract stating that the dog sold to you was either show or pet quality. If show quality, the dog could be kept intact. If not, you're bound by contract to neuter him. There are three essential scenarios: 1) He is pet quality and you need to neuter him as you are breaking a stipulation of the contract 2) He is show quality and you have not invested time in showing/proving him worthy to breed 3) He did not come from a reputable breeder and he does not have a contract stating any of this.

Numbers 1 and 3 give you enough argument to neuter Oreo. Number 2 is a workable scenario, but that involves you entering shows and proving Oreo in the conformation ring. This is an expensive and time consuming route - exactly the opposite of what your husband wants.

Now print this out and explain to your hubby why Oreo needs to be neutered ASAP.

[Scooter's Mom]

1) He is pet quality and you need to neuter him as you are breaking a stipulation of the contract 2) He is show quality and you have not invested time in showing/proving him worthy to breed 3) He did not come from a reputable breeder and he does not have a contract stating any of this.

Numbers 1 and 3 give you enough argument to neuter Oreo. Number 2 is a workable scenario, but that involves you entering shows and proving Oreo in the conformation ring. This is an expensive and time consuming route - exactly the opposite of what your husband wants.

The people we got Oreo from paid a fortune for him when they lived in California.
Then, when they moved here they decided a dog was too much work and let their 8 year old son be in charge of Oreo's care. Oreo was rarely fed, used to be picked on and was left outside in the Arizona heat for a year and a half.

I have no idea what their original contract was with the breeder they purchased him from.

Any more questions, please PM me. I've stated already that I personally was not for breeding him. I just wanted a little information to use in my defense when I told my hubby it was not a good plan.

Thanks,

[Karen]

I hope we were able to provide you with enough reasons to use to convince your husband. Let us know how it goes! And thank you, by the way, for rescuing Oreo from a bad situation.

[Scooter's Mom]

Thank you Karen.

I am sure that with the information I have received - it will be more than enough to convince my husband that breeding is a bad idea.

[Danegirl2208]

Here is an excellent article I found online.. please let your hubby check it out:

"Allowing a dog to sire a litter is a big decision & needs a lot of thought about the responsibilities involved & the amount of knowledge needed.

The responsible owner of a potential stud dog must have in depth knowledge on a range of subjects including:

The owner must know what hereditary problems exist in the breed & which lines have produced problems in the past to be able to make an educated decision about whether their dog should be used at all & if so, which bitches he would suit. It is never just a case of letting any bitch mate any dog - this could lead to disaster!

The Bitch's Cycle. The stud dog owner must be able to advise novice bitch owners when to bring their bitch for mating as all bitches differ. The stud dog owner must know from just looking at a bitch whether she is receptive to mating or not - introducing a stud dog to a bitch who is not ready for mating could lead to the dog being injured as bitches may be aggressive to males if they are not ready. The stud dog owner must also be prepared to board an in season bitch for a few days or longer if she arrives before she is receptive to mating.

Mating Techniques. Contrary to popular belief, not all male dogs know instinctively what to do with an in season bitch - many need careful tutoring & the stud dog owner must know how to do this & how to assist a dog to achieve a successful mating. Some matings can be technically difficult for example if the dog & bitch vary in size too much or if the bitch is reluctant to stand still to be mated. Again, the stud dog owner needs to know what to do to achieve a good result without injury or distress being caused to either party.

Managing the Stud Dog. Once a dog is used at stud, it is not unusual for his personality to alter to some extent. Some have a tendency to mark their territory indoors (cocking legs on furniture etc) and may be more likely to wander off the lead in search of in season bitches. Once a dog has been allowed to mate one bitch, they will generally want others! Some may also become more aggressive to other male dogs (due to sexual competitiveness). The potential stud dog owner needs to decide whether they can cope with these possible behavioural changes.

Responsibility for Puppies. Once a dog has been used at stud, the owner cannot just take the money & forget about it. The stud dog owner must be prepared to give advice on rearing puppies to the bitch owner (if a first time breeder) & must also take responsibility for any hereditary defects produced by their dog. They are also morally responsible for helping with the rehoming of any of their dog's offspring should the need arise at any time. This responsibility also means the stud dog owner must vet bitch owners that contact them to ensure that the breeder is reputable (not a puppy farmer for instance!) & that the bitch is old enough to be mated (or not too old) & has passed all the recommended health tests (annual eye tests for example).

If after reading this, you feel you can undertake the responsibilities of offering your dog at stud, then you need to get him seen by reputable breeders. This means showing him (if a show-type dog) or competing at Field Trials / Working Trials (if a Working dog) If other breeders can see that he is an excellent example of the breed, then they may ask to use him at stud, but the key word is "may" - there are already a large number of experienced stud dogs in the country for the reputable breeder to choose from. It goes without saying that your dog should also have had the recommended health screening tests which means as an absolute minimum, he should be eye-tested annually and hip scored. There may be other health issues relating to your breed, so check with your breed club and carry out any further health checks that they recommend.

As you can see, owning a stud dog is not for the fainthearted - it's not an easy way to make some extra cash & is never just a case of putting together any dog with any bitch & leaving them to get on with it - doing this could cause one or both parties to be injured and could also result in pups with health or temperament problems. If you would like to offer your dog at stud simply because you would like another puppy with his personality & looks, then it would be easier to buy another puppy from your dog's breeder!"

[cyber-sibes]

Good article, Danegirl, thanks for posting it.