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    Murder is never the solution to any problem. I will NEVER condone killing anybody for ANY purpose. Yes, he had issues and he tortured his children, but it was not more logical to kill him for it. I was recently moved by Immaculee Ilibagiza's autobiography Left to Tell. Despite having almost her entire family obliterated in the Rwandan genocide, she forgave the murderers face-to-face. That takes courage, strength, and morality. It's horrifically sad that this young girl was driven to kill, and I can only hope she will heal. But I stand by my words: Murder is never right or just. Nobody ever deserves to die. There is no justice or sense in hurting others because you yourself was hurt.

    I hate to overquote Gandhi yet again, but "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". And I believe our society is blind enough as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giselle
    Murder is never the solution to any problem. I will NEVER condone killing anybody for ANY purpose. Yes, he had issues and he tortured his children, but it was not more logical to kill him for it. I was recently moved by Immaculee Ilibagiza's autobiography Left to Tell. Despite having almost her entire family obliterated in the Rwandan genocide, she forgave the murderers face-to-face. That takes courage, strength, and morality. It's horrifically sad that this young girl was driven to kill, and I can only hope she will heal. But I stand by my words: Murder is never right or just. Nobody ever deserves to die. There is no justice or sense in hurting others because you yourself was hurt.

    I hate to overquote Gandhi yet again, but "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". And I believe our society is blind enough as it is.
    Hmmmm...this is actually one of those subjects where people don't sit on the fence One is either on one side or the other.....too big an issue, too many morals involved. I don't think we should go there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giselle
    Murder is never the solution to any problem. I will NEVER condone killing anybody for ANY purpose. .
    Murdering someone is one thing, as it presupposes no legal justification or excuse. However, killing someone can mean many a thing. To use the two terms interchangeably isn't appropriate, unless you mean you wouldn't end someone's life for any reason- no matter what. To that, and I hate to claim that special club membership again, but, you must not be someone's mother.

    If someone was harming my child, I mean, really harming my child, I would suffer about two seconds worth of inactivity...and that would only be cause I couldn't find the trigger faster.

    To quote Ghandi is all well and good, but, I am not so sure Ghandi was contemplating such an evil family relationship.

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    I have to agree with Cathy. I don't think the girl set out with the inention of killig, she was just trying to stop the hurting, and it was probably a scream for help.
    No one in her position could think rationally. I doubt she would be found guilty enough to serve time. I think the father got what he deserved.

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    Sorry, do not and will not ever agree with killing/murdering in any circumstance. Furthermore, I don't believe that living is a right. In my beliefs and in my religion, life is a gift and a constant opportunity for atonement. Just as there is no justice or logic in hurting, murdering, or torturing innocent victims, there is no justice in killing perpetrators. IMO.

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    Giselle, I have the utmost respect for you but I have to disagree. I think this guy needed to be stopped and she did what she needed to do.
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    Giselle - a child is not capable of that type of reasoning.

    Raped for 6 years. From age 7.

    She is 13...God forbid she is pregnant.

    After all those years - I think she just wanted OUT.

    He was no longer her father. Jailer...and worse. I can see him becoming a "thing".
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    http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...36/detail.html

    Neighbor Says Girl Accused Of Killing Father Confided In Her

    ELIZABETH TOWNSHIP, Pa. -- New information has surfaced in the case of a 13-year-old girl charged with killing her father.

    Team 4 has learned the teen confessed to a neighbor and revealed for the first time details of the alleged abuse she suffered.

    After the shooting, Suzanne Gruber climbed into an ambulance with the girl and was at her side for the next nine hours while she was questioned by police and examined at Children's Hospital.
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    WTAE Channel 4 Action News is not identifying the girl by name because there have been allegations of abuse connected to her case.

    At first the girl told police robbers shot her father. But then, while officers were questioning the girl's brother, she told her neighbor a different story.

    Team 4's Paul Van Osdol sat down with Gruber one-on-one.

    Van Osdol: "She basically confessed to you before the police?"

    Gruber: "Yes."

    Then, the 13-year-old told Gruber why she shot her father, Matthew Booth.

    Van Osdol: "What exactly did she tell you about her history with her father?"

    Gruber: "That she was sexually assaulted by her father since she was 7, and he beat her and her brother a lot, and she didn't know which bruises were from which fights because of the consistency of the abuse."

    Gruber said she had seen the girl and her father at a neighborhood party earlier that night. There were no signs of tension, but the girl told her that changed after the party was over.

    "She did admit to me after everybody was gone," said Gruber. "Nobody could see. Her father pulled her by the hair into the house."

    Gruber said at that point, after years of abuse and no action taken by police or CYF, the girl felt she had no other options.

    The girl is accused of shooting her father after he fell asleep or passed out.

    "She was definitely at a breaking point where she didn't know what else to do or where else to go, because the police and everybody was there so many times and nothing was ever done about it," Gruber said. "Who would you trust if nothing was ever done?"

    Gruber said she would do whatever she can to help the girl.

    There will be a bond hearing on Thursday as the girl's lawyer tries to get her moved from jail to the Shuman Center for Juveniles.
    "Do or do not. There is no try." -- Yoda

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