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    Was he abusing her when she shot him? I don't exactly know what to think about this case. those poor kids.
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    Murder is never the answer. Nobody ever deserves to die. Nobody. Life is not meant to be destroyed.

    I feel sorry for everybody involved in this case, especially the young girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giselle
    Murder is never the answer. Nobody ever deserves to die. Nobody. Life is not meant to be destroyed.

    I feel sorry for everybody involved in this case, especially the young girl.
    Nope, gotta disagree with you on that one.
    Some people do deserve to die.
    Just look what that guy has done to his OWN daughter !!!!! She will live with that for the rest of her life.
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    Murder is never the solution to any problem. I will NEVER condone killing anybody for ANY purpose. Yes, he had issues and he tortured his children, but it was not more logical to kill him for it. I was recently moved by Immaculee Ilibagiza's autobiography Left to Tell. Despite having almost her entire family obliterated in the Rwandan genocide, she forgave the murderers face-to-face. That takes courage, strength, and morality. It's horrifically sad that this young girl was driven to kill, and I can only hope she will heal. But I stand by my words: Murder is never right or just. Nobody ever deserves to die. There is no justice or sense in hurting others because you yourself was hurt.

    I hate to overquote Gandhi yet again, but "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". And I believe our society is blind enough as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giselle
    Murder is never the solution to any problem. I will NEVER condone killing anybody for ANY purpose. Yes, he had issues and he tortured his children, but it was not more logical to kill him for it. I was recently moved by Immaculee Ilibagiza's autobiography Left to Tell. Despite having almost her entire family obliterated in the Rwandan genocide, she forgave the murderers face-to-face. That takes courage, strength, and morality. It's horrifically sad that this young girl was driven to kill, and I can only hope she will heal. But I stand by my words: Murder is never right or just. Nobody ever deserves to die. There is no justice or sense in hurting others because you yourself was hurt.

    I hate to overquote Gandhi yet again, but "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". And I believe our society is blind enough as it is.
    Hmmmm...this is actually one of those subjects where people don't sit on the fence One is either on one side or the other.....too big an issue, too many morals involved. I don't think we should go there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giselle
    Murder is never the solution to any problem. I will NEVER condone killing anybody for ANY purpose. .
    Murdering someone is one thing, as it presupposes no legal justification or excuse. However, killing someone can mean many a thing. To use the two terms interchangeably isn't appropriate, unless you mean you wouldn't end someone's life for any reason- no matter what. To that, and I hate to claim that special club membership again, but, you must not be someone's mother.

    If someone was harming my child, I mean, really harming my child, I would suffer about two seconds worth of inactivity...and that would only be cause I couldn't find the trigger faster.

    To quote Ghandi is all well and good, but, I am not so sure Ghandi was contemplating such an evil family relationship.

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    I have to agree with Cathy. I don't think the girl set out with the inention of killig, she was just trying to stop the hurting, and it was probably a scream for help.
    No one in her position could think rationally. I doubt she would be found guilty enough to serve time. I think the father got what he deserved.

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    Sorry, do not and will not ever agree with killing/murdering in any circumstance. Furthermore, I don't believe that living is a right. In my beliefs and in my religion, life is a gift and a constant opportunity for atonement. Just as there is no justice or logic in hurting, murdering, or torturing innocent victims, there is no justice in killing perpetrators. IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giselle
    Life is not meant to be destroyed.

    If you had a cancerous growth inside of you, would you want it killed off?
    It's alive.


    I believe some people forfeit their right to live by being constant predators
    on the world's most vulnerable people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud
    I believe some people forfeit their right to live by being constant predators on the world's most vulnerable people.
    YES !!!!!!!! So True !!!!!!
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    While murder is not the solution...after rape having started when this girl was 7, and continued for 6 years, she was more than incapable of rational thought, and not just because of her age.

    Only my imagination here - but I think she did not want to actually kill a person - she just wanted everything to STOP, and acted out of a degree of blind despair and state of mind that I hope none of us ever comes near.
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    I would never judge her at all, but get her the best defense lawyer
    I could locate & let 12 other people decide after hearing her thoughts
    that drove her to defend herself.

    I wonder if these kids were attending school during this time? Did no one
    ever notice how dirty & smelly they were.
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    This is why killing in self-defense is legally distinct from out-and-out murder. And this is also why the laws are flawed, because "self-defense" only includes defense against getting killed. Torture isn't covered, except clumsily and indirectly under the "by reason of insanity" clause.

    I don't doubt that the girl is probably crazy as a bedbug after years of abuse. But I don't think that specifically killing her father was a crazy thing to do. She'd have met the same fate at someone else's hands if she ran away, and had no reason to believe that the Authorities would take any interest.

    For those who have been tortured and toughed it out - hey, good for you. But I don't think it's at all realistic to expect that of everybody. If the guy had been, say, an enemy combatant, they'd be looking up the rules for awarding medals to civilians. But I think the fact that he was her father makes his behavior far, far more horrific.

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