Medicine Hat girl guilty of first-degree murder *1st post edited

[Edwina's Secretary]

What in the **** is a 23 year old MAN doing with a 12 year old CHILD???

I think the question is...why in the **** is this posted?

[mike001]

Posted cause we all read about it and I for one was glad to hear the verdict.
Could be that it will alert some parents to watch who their kids are keeping company with. That part of BC is known to be pretty rough anyway, but where were the parents when this 12 yr old was with the 23 yr old man?
I would hope she would be getting some kind of conselling while in prison. It is sad, but where do we draw the line...a 12 yr old today knows more than kids of generations ago.

[Catty1]

Alberta, not BC. And this is the Dog House. HELLO?

Just to show how wrong things can go...lots of teens get upset at their parents, think they are mean, and want them "gone" but not really.

Just make sure your teen is not dating a dim-witted drugged psycho!

The man's mom is dying of cancer, and is just heartbroken over what her son did.

Apparently, both these people were into the Goth culture.

I just hope she is young enough to get it.

The authorities allowed them to pass notes to each other in their respective prisons(hoping to gain clues or insight). I read some. She just loved him etc etc and he her.

Then in court she says the killings are all his fault.

Well, there goes THAT romance....sheesh...

Hard to believe someone that young can be guilty of 1st degree murder.

[columbine]

Apparently, both these people were into the Goth culture.

No - they played violent video games!
No - they must have been involved in a religious cult!
No, no, no - it was all that TV and sugary junk food!
Check their record collections - bet it'll ALL be heavy metal!



These two were crazy. Maybe drunk or on drugs. "Goth culture," if anything, "drives" kids to spend all their money on art supplies or musical instruments. Scapegoating broad swaths of the population serves no purpose, and just scares people needlessly.

Love, Columbine

[lady_zana]

No - they played violent video games!
No - they must have been involved in a religious cult!
No, no, no - it was all that TV and sugary junk food!
Check their record collections - bet it'll ALL be heavy metal!



These two were crazy. Maybe drunk or on drugs. "Goth culture," if anything, "drives" kids to spend all their money on art supplies or musical instruments. Scapegoating broad swaths of the population serves no purpose, and just scares people needlessly.

Love, Columbine

With that, I agree. I would fall under the "Goth" category - not Emo, Big difference! - but I've never taken drugs in life, never killed anyone, work for human rights, and my favorite video game is Kingdom Hearts! - It's hard to feel violent imagining a world where Mickey Mouse is the king. ( Anyone else play? I'm a total KH-junkie.)

What I'm trying to say is just because someone is goth, it doesn't mean they are a bad person. You can't tell what a person is going to be like because of the way they look.

Before I close, I want to mention something the article said - it said her parents "didn't approve of their relationship." Huh? If they didn't approve, why didn't they stop it? I don't know the exact laws of Canada but I do know they have laws against a 23-year-old dating a 12-year old child.

[BC_MoM]

Um.. why would a 12 year old girl talk about killing her parents? That is just warped. And her friends, apparently, speak like this too? That's freaky.

I think the sentencing was fair. Kids these days are growing up a LOT faster than they used too. This crud about kids not knowing the consequences of their actions is a real load.

[sparks19]

Um.. why would a 12 year old girl talk about killing her parents? That is just warped. And her friends, apparently, speak like this too? That's freaky.

I think the sentencing was fair. Kids these days are growing up a LOT faster than they used too. This crud about kids not knowing the consequences of their actions is a real load.

I agree.....

I can definitely say at 12 years old I KNEW BETTER. And to say that a 12 year old doesn't comprehend death or murder is just an excuse.... but to say they don't understand it after the blood has spilled and they carry on and kill more after that first person? I think they would have figured death out by then

[Edwina's Secretary]

Alberta, not BC. And this is the Dog House. HELLO?

Just to show how wrong things can go...lots of teens get upset at their parents, think they are mean, and want them "gone" but not really.

Just make sure your teen is not dating a dim-witted drugged psycho!

The man's mom is dying of cancer, and is just heartbroken over what her son did.

Apparently, both these people were into the Goth culture.

I just hope she is young enough to get it.

The authorities allowed them to pass notes to each other in their respective prisons(hoping to gain clues or insight). I read some. She just loved him etc etc and he her.

Then in court she says the killings are all his fault.

Well, there goes THAT romance....sheesh...

Hard to believe someone that young can be guilty of 1st degree murder.

Hello back at you! Now I ask the question again...WHY is this posted. I don't need to be told the obvious. This is the Dog House. I know that. My question is...while I am sure this is a locally interesting story...do you really think there are people on PetTalk for whom this would be an illustrative story???

Or is it just fun to post?

[sparks19]

Well I really don't see how this is any different from any other posts in this section about murders and the like.....

I don't see anything more offensive about this post than any of the others.

Such a tragic story

[wombat2u2004]

Well HELLO to ALL of YOU !!!!!
Good post Catty1.
I have to agree with Sparksy and Catty1, that this story is no different than a lot of other stories that are posted here. And I for one, being a previous and also current father of a teenage girl, find this to be most interesting and enlightening.
I'm sorry ES if you find this thread unsuitable, but, I guess this is not the drinkies on Thursday's thread. There is a real world out there you know !!!!
You could always go elsewhere if you find this thread offensive....eh ???
Wom

[Catty1]

And Orem, Utah is INTERNATIONAL?

And Columbine - I wish I could have detailed that a bit more than painting it with a broad brush. You're right. There is a lively Goth internet board in "The Hat", as it's called, and some kids are just on it for fun. Others were backing this girl and the guy. There was more to it than implied in the way I listed it. Wrong to generalize...these two shared a lifestyle and were quite into it. (didn't help that the boyfriend was majorly into crack).

[lady_zana]

Hello back at you! Now I ask the question again...WHY is this posted. I don't need to be told the obvious. This is the Dog House. I know that. My question is...while I am sure this is a locally interesting story...do you really think there are people on PetTalk for whom this would be an illustrative story???

Or is it just fun to post?

I had never heard this story before and found it interesting. There ARE people on PT who would find this to be an illustrative story - for one, me. I've always been interested in death and I devour true crime books. Not the best hobby, perhaps but that's me. Must be the goth in me coming out!

[Pam]

Well I have read all of the threads and thought I'd throw in my two cents. When one visits the Dog House one is in store for anything. That's why this place was invented. Did I find the story upsetting? You bet. Does Catty have the right to post it. Yes. This is a story that most of us in the US had not heard about. So many of our horror stories from here in the US (Lacy Peterson and the recent missing young women who have been killed) have made it into the Dog House. Murder is murder. Sickness is sickness. It is all the same to me. If someone doesn't want to read these things they just don't need to click.

[wombat2u2004]

Bang on the nail head first time there Pam !!!!
Wom

[Marigold2]

Pam and Wombat I do agree with you.

I would also like to say that if this had been my daughter and she was dating someone that old I would first have called the police, then took her to therapy, and if none of that had an effect I would send her to a military camp or private school out of state where this creep couldn't find her and she could not contact him. If I had to take on a second or third job, remotgage my home, sell some of my prized items to pay for this private school I would. Nothing good ever comes out of these sicko relationships.

Well I have read all of the threads and thought I'd throw in my two cents. When one visits the Dog House one is in store for anything. That's why this place was invented. Did I find the story upsetting? You bet. Does Catty have the right to post it. Yes. This is a story that most of us in the US had not heard about. So many of our horror stories from here in the US (Lacy Peterson and the recent missing young women who have been killed) have made it into the Dog House. Murder is murder. Sickness is sickness. It is all the same to me. If someone doesn't want to read these things they just don't need to click.