Water v Coke

[Pam]

Wom, I don't think you and LH are that far apart with your beliefs. Of course things which contain ridiculous amounts of sugar and bad things should be eliminated from one's diet, but it is all about personal responsibility and control. I remember years ago someone sued McDonald's because they gained a tremendous amount of weight from eating there everyday. Hello.....were they tied up and force fed?

In my work I type a lot of patient notes. I am seeing an ever increasing line in my dictation ..... "the patient has a new diagnosis of adult onset diabetes." *sigh* Our bodies are like little engines. Some of us wouldn't treat our cars the way we treat our bodies. Until people realize that no one else is going to care for their bodies other than themselves there will be a decline in health.

I heard a lot of the statements about water drinking on, I think it was Oprah, years ago and it made a lot of sense. I keep telling myself I should drink more but again it is my responsibility to do it.

On the subject of Nutrasweet, don't even get me started. My brother has sent me so many articles and sites about that stuff that I wouldn't drink anything that contained Nutrasweet if it was the last beverage on earth. I have to wonder how many diseases that we are seeing more of today are a result of the increase in this and other pseudo sweeteners. Time will tell I guess.

[K9soul]

As far as the sugar content of cola being akin to someone eating straight sugar from a spoon, couldn't the same be said of a piece of candy? Ice cream? Birthday cake? I consider colas/sodas to be the same as cake or candy, nothing wrong with having it as a treat health-wise. As LH said, moderation is the key, and that is up to individuals, not the corporations to implement. My mother used to buy one 2-liter bottle of cola on shopping day and that was it. Once it was gone, it was gone until the next big grocery day which was once a month. I was not obese or unhealthy in any way. Sure if she had filled the fridge with soda and the cupboards with chips and I pigged out every day and never exercised I would have been, but that was not the case.

I browsed over the coke page some and I did not see them necessarily claiming that drinking coke was healthy, but more saying that caffeinated beverages can keep you hydrated contrary to other beliefs. I actually agree with that as I often drink tea off and on throughout the day (greens, whites, oolongs etc.) and I have no problem with dehydration. I do not have to "go" any more often than if I were drinking the same amount of water. But this could be a whole other topic and it's a bit of a tributary from the main flow of this conversation.

I also agree with Giselle about the "8 glasses of water" adage, I have actually tried to force myself to drink more water in the past after reading about the benefits and ended up not feeling well, having to go to the restroom far more often, and even feeling a bit foggy-headed and sluggish. I never made it to the daily recommended amount before giving that up.

Anyway, corporations are going to tout their products and they are welcome to it. I believe in personal responsibility and liability for the decisions we make.

[wombat2u2004]

Yes I would agree to a certain extent Pam.
Whilst I can see your's and LH's point of view, being that of one accepting their own responsibility for what they consume, I still am against this continuous advertising and such.....particularly where small children are involved. I mean kids are absolutely bombarded from a very young age with all of this junk food advertising. The young are VERY impressionable.
Of course added to this, is the fact that what they put into these products chemical wise, is usually covered up by references on their labels to a whole range of different names, mostly now coded....even something as simple as MSG has a range of names...this is all done to confuse people.
Example.......I cook a lot of Chinese food.......when I buy spices and the like, I check out what is in them......if there is MSG...I don't buy it.....if there is Ajinomoto....I don't buy it !!!! Why ???? Ajinomoto is MSG !!!!! Plain and simple. But does everyone know that ???? I have had so many people ask me what the heck Ajinomoto is !!!!! LOL
I tell ya....these food manufacturers will tell you anything to sell you their product.....and that includes Coca Cola.
Yes, there are responsible people out there who eat healthy, but there is also a lot that don't.
Wom

[Pembroke_Corgi]

Of course added to this, is the fact that what they put into these products chemical wise, is usually covered up by references on their labels to a whole range of different names, mostly now coded....even something as simple as MSG has a range of names...this is all done to confuse people.
Example.......I cook a lot of Chinese food.......when I buy spices and the like, I check out what is in them......if there is MSG...I don't buy it.....if there is Ajinomoto....I don't buy it !!!! Why ???? Ajinomoto is MSG !!!!! Plain and simple. But does everyone know that ???? I have had so many people ask me what the heck Ajinomoto is !!!!! LOL

MSG isn't harmful to people- that is actually a myth! There have been numerous studies that show it isn't a health risk at all- though a small percentage of people may experience temporary symptoms from large amounts, but it doesn't require medical care.

http://www.hawaii.edu/ur/University_...URMay/MSG.html

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mon...tamate/AN01251

[Edwina's Secretary]

I was thinking....

yesterday I bought a carton of canned coke. I have houseguests coming and they like coke. In the grocery store the package began to leak...all over me of course.

I assumed it leaked because I had been driving my cart somewhat "hard" and the carton may have banged against the side...causing a rupture in one of the cans.

Now I wonder....if coke can eat through nails in a couple of days...how do they keep it in the cans???

Should I be worrying about the cans in my refrigerator suddenly disintergrating?

And why....if the iron I buy has a warning on it not to iron clothes while wearing said clothes...doesn't coke come with a warning...do not pour on nails?

[Cataholic]

I was thinking....

I assumed it leaked because I had been driving my cart somewhat "hard" and the carton may have banged against the side...causing a rupture in one of the cans.

I am thinking......you might need a warning sign on YOU- driving a grocery cart is serious business! Slow down, slow down (that is what Jones says when I drive too fast).

[wombat2u2004]

MSG isn't harmful to people- that is actually a myth!

Headaches !!!!! Sometimes migraines. In my experience. And what people usually complain of is thirst.
I know of a lot of people who don't eat anything at all with MSG in it.
Wom

[Karen]

Headaches !!!!! Sometimes migraines. In my experience. And what people usually complain of is thirst.
I know of a lot of people who don't eat anything at all with MSG in it.
Wom

Science doesn't know everything about why the human body reacts as it does, and why some people react one way to some things and someone else will have the opposite reaction. This is true of physiology as well as pharmacalogically. Take caffiene - one amount will put some people to sleep, keep some people awake, and have no effect on others ... but too much of it - like so many things - will kill you!

We human beings are tricky critters. When my mother was in college - during and just after the end of World War II, a professor of hers told her with firm assurance that everything there is to be known about the human brain would be discovered in the next ten years.

"Funny," she told me in probably about 1976 - "I think those ten years get further away every year!"

[AbbyMom]

Headaches !!!!! Sometimes migraines. In my experience. And what people usually complain of is thirst.
I know of a lot of people who don't eat anything at all with MSG in it.
Wom

Yuppers. Huby gets migraines from anything with MSG in it. Have to read the labels on everything.

[popcornbird]

MSG isn't harmful to people- that is actually a myth! There have been numerous studies that show it isn't a health risk at all- though a small percentage of people may experience temporary symptoms from large amounts, but it doesn't require medical care.

http://www.hawaii.edu/ur/University_...URMay/MSG.html

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mon...tamate/AN01251

It is no myth. MSG DOES have a negative effect on many people. There was a time when my mom used to use MSG in her cooking. My dad experienced severe swelling in the neck area, and was having a hard time breathing. After going to the doctor many times, and finding nothing, the doctor asked my dad, "Do you have any MSG intake?" He basically told my dad to stop eating anything with MSG. All MSG bottles were removed from our shelves, and we stopped buying anything containing MSG. The results? My dad's swelling vanished completely, thank God! I also noticed I was no longer feeling 'dizzy', a complaint I often had in my childhood/early teens.

Till today, anytime my dad 'accidently' eats something containing MSG, the swelling returns. Whenever I eat Chinese food containing MSG (and I notice this EVERY TIME I return from the Chinese restaurant), I feel incredibly dizzy and have to lie down. My husband also gets dizzy after eating MSG. My mom says eating anything with MSG causes her migraines. Whatever be the case, it has affected most of my family in a negative way, and has been confirmed by our 'tests', and also by what the doctors have told us. We avoid MSG at all costs. My dad will not touch it, at all. I still eat Chinese food or Doritos 'occasionally', but the dizziness it causes is not pleasant, at all. It is also recommended that women during the child-bearing years should avoid MSG. I don't know how much of a fact it is, but I KNOW MSG hurts me, have been there, done that, and will always avoid it no matter what.

As for coke, regardless of whether all this is a myth or not, coke, pepsi, dr. pepper, etc. have always, and will always remain my most despised drink, and the drink I will ALWAYS avoid when there are other options available. Coke, pepsi, and Dr. Pepper all taste like nasty cough syrup to me, only a whole glass full instead of just a spoon. 7up's carbonated bubbles drive me crazy. Orange soda is 'ok' when it comes to sodas, but again, I hate the carbonation. The only soda that I find 'acceptable' to drink is cream soda, and its nice to make a float with, but putting some ice cream in the glass.

Give me water any day.

[Pam]

Yes I would agree to a certain extent Pam.
Whilst I can see your's and LH's point of view, being that of one accepting their own responsibility for what they consume, I still am against this continuous advertising and such.....particularly where small children are involved. I mean kids are absolutely bombarded from a very young age with all of this junk food advertising. The young are VERY impressionable.

Yes I agree that television is filled with commercials for foods that I would have never considered buying for my family. Junk cereals never ever entered my house. GAG! The problem, in my opinion, is not so much that the ads are geared to kids (which they most certainly are!) but the fact that the parents run out and buy that stuff because their kids ask for it. Honestly, (and this is probably a topic for a whole nuther discussion ) when did parents lose control?? When I was little I didn't have that kind of power over my parents. Why are today's parents so ready to get their kids anything they ask for, even if it is not a good choice? I imagine part of it is that they have also lost control of their own ability to make good choices. I may be showing my age here, but I have to say that things were better way back when.....

[wombat2u2004]

Yes I agree that television is filled with commercials for foods that I would have never considered buying for my family. Junk cereals never ever entered my house. GAG! The problem, in my opinion, is not so much that the ads are geared to kids (which they most certainly are!) but the fact that the parents run out and buy that stuff because their kids ask for it. Honestly, (and this is probably a topic for a whole nuther discussion ) when did parents lose control?? When I was little I didn't have that kind of power over my parents. Why are today's parents so ready to get their kids anything they ask for, even if it is not a good choice? I imagine part of it is that they have also lost control of their own ability to make good choices. I may be showing my age here, but I have to say that things were better way back when.....

Yes....I do agree that things were much better way back when Pam.
As for parents losing control.....well I have my very own opinion about that, and that is that the world and society are more affluent than they used to be. Money doesn't seem to have the value to people now as it used to have.
If parents have a problem with their children, the first thing they do is throw money at that problem....it's quick and easy and available, and solves the problem in the short term.
In my day, my parents never had the money to throw at us. (And even if they did, there were 6 of us.....that would have been a real rumble !!!! )
Wom

[Pam]

Yes....I do agree that things were much better way back when Pam.
As for parents losing control.....well I have my very own opinion about that, and that is that the world and society are more affluent than they used to be. Money doesn't seem to have the value to people now as it used to have.
If parents have a problem with their children, the first thing they do is throw money at that problem....it's quick and easy and available, and solves the problem in the short term.
In my day, my parents never had the money to throw at us. (And even if they did, there were 6 of us.....that would have been a real rumble !!!! )
Wom

Right on the mark Wom! I agree with every word. I have watched parents in stores give in to their three and four year old children without offering any resistance at all. These are then the same parents, when called into school a few years later because of their child's behavior problems, who will side with the child against the teacher. What kind of adult does that make? (My I have really taken this thread off topic. )