Woman dies in hopital waiting room

[lizbud]

Richard. This womans' only crime was not having medical insurance.

She was still a human being and in severe pain, I would imagine.

Who committed the greater crime, her ,or the hospital staff of King/Drew?


p.s. And what does Michael Moore have to do with this?

[RICHARD]

Richard. This womans' only crime was not having medical insurance.

She was still a human being and in severe pain, I would imagine.

Who committed the greater crime, her ,or the hospital staff of King/Drew?


p.s. And what does Michael Moore have to do with this?

I accused no one of crime or being a criminal. She should have been seen immediately, insurance or not.

I do blame the AHs in the ER for not treating this woman-the HCI has placed the emphasis on paperwork, not patients.

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Micheal Moore has just released his next waste of celluloid, "Sicko".

And again Moore chooses not to tell the story, he parks his moron arse in the middle of the it.

[lizbud]

Richard,

I meant nothing personal at all in my comments, just used your name to
point out that it's useless to blame the insurance industy, or lawyers, when
this hospital's staff failed to do their jobs. I think you said it best here.

"The health care system is in shambles - this woman was not let down by the system, she was in an area where her life could have been saved. It's the people in that area, at that time who are to blame."

[Edwina's Secretary]

Micheal Moore has just released his next waste of celluloid, "Sicko".

So you've seen it RICHARD??????? What was your least favorite part?

[RICHARD]

So you've seen it RICHARD??????? What was your least favorite part?

taking emergency workers to Cuba to prove that they can get 'better' care.

Of course xuncle Fidel will roll out the red carpet for them, Please.

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Liz,

Did you know that there are "laws/rules" set up that limit the time that you spend in a hospital for any illness?And if you develop complications from that illness and overstay the insurance company will not pay?

Also, at the HMO I worked at, It was known that the docs HAD to discharge sick people because the hospital would not get paid.

There are some OB/GYNs who refuse to deliver babies because malpractice insurance is too costly.

I guess you haven't seen any commercials asking for sick people to call a toll free number to get in on a class action lawsuit?

Companies like Merck, Baxter U.S. Surgical spend thousands of dollars on the "HILL" trying to get exemptions to their products. And when they are put into circulation and fail the lawyers take over and the costs are passed on to the consumers.

BTW, Please don't ask, I do not know what I am talking about.

[Edwina's Secretary]

But did you see it RICHARD?

[RICHARD]

But did you see it RICHARD?

I saw a clip. not interested in Hi School Journalism.

[lizbud]

Richard, As one who has worked inside the hospital "system" for a long
time, I would think you have a lot to say about what goes on behind
the scenes. I've never had trouble with hospital care, but I've always had
insurance coverage too.

[lizbud]

I wonder if Sicko will win as many awards as his last film? He can always
get people talking about any subject thats for sure.

[RICHARD]

Richard, As one who has worked inside the hospital "system" for a long
time, I would think you have a lot to say about what goes on behind
the scenes. I've never had trouble with hospital care, but I've always had
insurance coverage too.

It takes one incident like this to erase thousands of times where people have taken an extra step to insure someone's health.

Here is another tidbit about healthcare.

Should you ever have a problem in a hospital setting, for example, there is an error in what medicine you are given-either the wrong one or the wrong amount- you might have a reaction..


THAT is what the note in your chart may say.
But, another form called something like an "Unusual Occurrence" report will be filled out and sent to a Quality Assurance department.

In big bold letters at the top of the form it states something like....

"DO NOT FILE WITH PATIENT CHART- DO NOT COPY - SEND TO QA DEPARTMENT"

It might describe a nurse at a shift change not paying attention to what they are doing..They make a mistake-but you have a "reaction".

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A resident surgeon who accidentally cuts a patient's vein, causing that patient to die on the OR table has the same form filled out.


The family is told that the patient had complications during the procedure.

[cassiesmom]

Did you know that there are "laws/rules" set up that limit the time that you spend in a hospital for any illness?And if you develop complications from that illness and overstay the insurance company will not pay?

Also, at the HMO I worked at, It was known that the docs HAD to discharge sick people because the hospital would not get paid.

I'm an insurance nurse. I can't avoid responding to this post.

Should you develop complications from an illness and "overstay" it is inaccurate to say that insurance will not pay. The reason that you are in the hospital changes. Example: if you have an appendectomy and then come down with pneumonia - you have stayed in the hospital because of the pneumonia, not necessarily the appendectomy. There are many factors that go into determining how claims are paid. The only situation I know of where a claim is outrightly not paid is if the patient's insurance is not effective - if their plan has lapsed. Otherwise it MUST be looked at before we can determine if it will or won't be paid.

Insurance never tells doctors that their patients must be discharged because the physician or hospital is at risk of non-payment. The decision to discharge a patient is ALWAYS between the physician and the patient. This is not the first insurance I have worked for and my previous employer had the same practice. We don't force patients out of the hospital.

The whole issue of how people without health insurance do (or do not) receive health care makes me so MAD! I'd like to climb up to the top of the Sears Tower and scream. That wouldn't do any good, though. I think this sad case just adds to the argument that something has to change.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Micheal Moore has just released his next waste of celluloid, "Sicko".

And again Moore chooses not to tell the story, he parks his moron arse in the middle of the it.

Just so we are clear....the opinion expressed is based on seeing "a clip" and what the accusedly-biased media has said...

Just so we are clear....

[RICHARD]

Just so we are clear....the opinion expressed is based on seeing "a clip" and what the accusedly-biased media has said...

Just so we are clear....

Let's see, MM walking and talking to the camera,
MM making statements that have no merit to them.
MM being MM.

I'd rather watch Oprah clips.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Let's see, MM walking and talking to the camera,
MM making statements that have no merit to them.
MM being MM.

I'd rather watch Oprah clips.

I just think reviews should be given by people who have actually SEEN the movie. I haven't so I won't make a comment on the merits of the movie or of MM's comments.

I have some videotapes of Oprah's show. Shall I send them to you?

[Marigold2]

The woman's boyfriend did not speak English? Was there anyone around that did understand what he was trying to say? Could the patient speak English? I would hate to think that she was ignored like that. I cannot believe that not just one but many people walked away from her and left her to die. Perhaps they thought she was drunk or on drugs. Perhaps they had more urgent cases they had to tend to first. I don't think we have all the info here. I work with nurses and dr's everyday and I have NEVER met any who would knowingly ignore a patient who is suffering and in pain. Lets wait till we have all the facts before we place blame. I have seen the Dr I work for in tears over a patients death or illness. And what of all the nurses. Did they all walk away from her as well, why, why would they do that?