Words well spoken...Recieved in Email

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh goodness...you don't believe the FBI statistics do you? Worse than the media.....

A wild west shootout....what a lovely thought. Lots of innocent bystanders can get shot too! Bullets whizzing through walls into babies's cribs....

We already know that the existing laws are ineffectual in keeping people with mental illness from buying guns "legally"....e.g. Virginia Tech...

and you want to put MORE guns on the streets....

I will not stay in a home where there are handguns. It is too dangerous. I left my cousin's home when I found out her husband keeps handguns around.

There are LOTS of statistics on how dangerous a home is with handguns in it as compare to a home without. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics -- in a home with handguns it is much more likely the gun will be used in a suicide, domestic dispute or accidental shooting than in self-defense.

[Lady's Human]

There's a difference, ES.

The American Academy of Pediatrics has an ax to grind. They have been on the HCI side of the debate for as long as I can remember. They came out with a survey that Pediatricians were supposed to give to their patients' parents asking about guns in the home. If I ever get given that survey by a doctor I'm finding a new Doc.

The FBI doesn't have an agenda. Their annual crime statistics report is just that. Statistics. X offenses of Y type per 100 or 1000 people in a given municipality. It is a very dry document. If crime goes up, it states so in the report. If crime goes down, it does the same. The report is done by career civil servants, not political appointees. It's almost impossible to fire them, so there's little leverage available to get them to massage the figures.

I will not stay in a home where there are handguns. It is too dangerous

I guess you won't be coming for dinner, then.

[Edwina's Secretary]

There's a difference, ES.

The American Academy of Pediatrics has an ax to grind. They have been on the HCI side of the debate for as long as I can remember. They came out with a survey that Pediatricians were supposed to give to their patients' parents asking about guns in the home. If I ever get given that survey by a doctor I'm finding a new Doc.

The FBI doesn't have an agenda. Their annual crime statistics report is just that. Statistics. X offenses of Y type per 100 or 1000 people in a given municipality. It is a very dry document. If crime goes up, it states so in the report. If crime goes down, it does the same. The report is done by career civil servants, not political appointees. It's almost impossible to fire them, so there's little leverage available to get them to massage the figures.



I guess you won't be coming for dinner, then.

I am sure the dinner would have been delicious....Pediatricians have an ax to grind. Wow! How about radiologist? They suspect too? ...it seems anyone holding an opinion contrary to yours is suspect. Ever notice that?

With that...I don't trust the FBI....I am a child of the Viet Nam Era...NEVER trust the Feds.... Go see the movie about Hanssen....career civil servants....worse than pediatrician...(with apology to my brother...)

Is it possible peds care about children? Nawwww...just politics....

[Lady's Human]

In regards to their "caring" survey, I don't give a damn why they put anything in their survey. What need does a doc have for the information?

None.

You don't trust civil servants, but you trust the media? Now THERE is a problem.

I wouldn't trust a modern reporter to get the color of the sky correct, and if they did by some miracle happen to report that the sky was indeed blue, I'd be running for a window to double check. I've seen the media get too many things wrong and tell 1/2 of the story too many times.

[RICHARD]

I guess no one noticed the students at VT who were in uniform.

I don't know if they are part of a cadet corp, ROTC or ? on campus.
I thought to myself that one cadet with a CW..

I guess allowing people to pack heat on a COLLEGE campus (with all the bells, whistles, pomp and circumstance. of course) and having someone produce a firearm and busting caps-maybe stopping the toll at 15 or 20- would have been out of the question?

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Don't throw out the baby in the crib with the bullet type.

There are a few different kinds of bullets.

Jacketed, hollow point, lead, copper-

Each has a different "use" and consequence.

Hollow point flatten on impact. Telfon coated (mostly illegal to all) are used to defeat body armor. Some police depts MANDATE what type of ammo they use, to cut down on 'innocent baby deaths'. Look at all the ammo the North Hollywood Shootout robbers used- no one wa killed.

I drove the neighborhood the next day- Find a concrete light pole, take your fist, hold it over a section of that pole and picture a chunk that big missing from it. The LAPD also makes a show of parading around two of the squad cars that were shot up. Not really confidence inspiring since they use them at the recruiting booths. The thugs used armor piercing bullets that day.

Contrary to popular belief, not all shootings happen in Hollywood-for some reason bullets behave differently there!

[RICHARD]

Richard...I am one of those Cadets...Matt LaPorte was one of those cadets....

Words are hollow, but I am truly sorry about the pain that has visited your world.

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There was one radio moron who was critical of the victims-"why didn't anyone rush Cho?" From what the media reported-I know, what to believe coming from that estate-When he bought the 9mm he also purchased 50 rounds of hollow point ammo- Hollow point rounds are really brutal -just as brutal as the rounds coming out of an assault rifle.

The moron jock was suspended from his gig

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About the coverage.

That AH Karan Grewal made every outlet- One cable network even did an hour 'special' and that little maggot made it on their airwaves....

Sad to think that these idiots refuse to STFU!

[Edwina's Secretary]

When he bought the 9mm he also purchased 50 rounds of hollow point ammo- Hollow point rounds are really brutal -just as brutal as the rounds coming out of an assault rifle.

Be sure and thank the NRA for his ability to purchase hollow point ammo! Constitutional Right you know!

[Edwina's Secretary]

In regards to their "caring" survey, I don't give a damn why they put anything in their survey. What need does a doc have for the information?

Save lives? Now...what business would that be of a doctor???

You don't trust civil servants, but you trust the media?

Seen way too many civil servants....too political for my taste. They all seem to have a hidden agenda. J. Edgar Hoover ring a bell?

[RICHARD]

I will not stay in a home where there are handguns. It is too dangerous.

CHECK THIS OUT!

I am afraid of hand held power tools now...


Some guy mutilated a woman with a circular saw.....THEN KILLED DHIMSELF WITH IT!


I'm getting kinda nervous....There is a router just outside the door...

[wombat2u2004]

CHECK THIS OUT!

I am afraid of hand held power tools now...


Some guy mutilated a woman with a circular saw.....THEN KILLED DHIMSELF WITH IT!


I'm getting kinda nervous....There is a router just outside the door...

OMG Richard !!!! Not the dreaded router ???? Run....run now !!!!!
I have nail guns....they are dangerous...VERY dangerous.....but not as dangerous as a router.
You should hide it mate....just in case the greenies get the law changed, and you have hand it in.
Wom

[Edwina's Secretary]

CHECK THIS OUT!

I am afraid of hand held power tools now...


Some guy mutilated a woman with a circular saw.....THEN KILLED DHIMSELF WITH IT!


I'm getting kinda nervous....There is a router just outside the door...

How amusing RICHARD. How many Amish school girls were killed with it?

And you...who doesn't like Happy Cinco de Mayo...

The difference is...a circular saw has a purpose other than self-mutilation. A handgun is designed for one thing. Killing people. Easily.

Oh! Let's make a joke about that......

[Edwina's Secretary]

Just read the newspaper ...on the same page with the story of the man who killed his mother with a circular saw...

A college student who killed one and wounded two...with his concealed weapon. Why? Dispute over a video game.

[Randi]

was it an actual concealed weapon with a permit or just a gun he was hiding in his shirt?

Does it matter? .... the shooting continues. No one seem to realise that when people are P.O. or feel threatened, they will use their gun, whether they got it legally or not!

Not sure which paper ES and Richard is referring to, but here's the front pages of quite a few Newspapers around the world.

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/

[Edwina's Secretary]

Randi, you are right! I don't know if the shooter had a permit, if the gun was in his shirt or sitting on the game console.

I doubt it makes much difference to the dead guy.

It was Cal State Fresno. But a college shooting with one dead and two injuried isn't enough anymore to be on the front page. Or even the front section. It was on page 3 of the second section in the LA TIMES.

[Randi]

... a college shooting with one dead and two injuried isn't enough anymore to be on the front page. Or even the front section. It was on page 3 of the second section in the LA TIMES.

Here, it would certainly be on the front page, even for two or three days - and people would go: Oh my God, someone has been shot!!

It seems to be quite a normal occurance in USA these days.