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[Puckstop31]

What giant loophole for buying at gun shows?

Media myth.

If the seller is a licensed federal dealer (as most are), NICS and other checks still apply.

The paperwork still has to be processed and approved.

Of course, due to a decision of the SCOTUS the paperwork really doesn't matter, as they decided that lying on the forms is fine, as being truthful would be self incrimination for a felon.

+1

I bought a Semi Automatic FAL a few years ago at a gun show. Had to go through the same exact checks I would if I had bought it at a shop. As it should be.

[lizbud]

Will somebody give me one reason why a private individual would have
need of an automatic weapon?

[Lady's Human]

Competition

Collecting/re-enactment

Employment (No, those jobs aren't in the help wanted section of the newspaper)

There are relatively few legal full auto weapons in the US, as they cannot be manufactured for civilian sale (I forget the cutoff date, but it is many years ago that the manufacture and importation of F/A weapons for civilian sale was banned).

The people who legally own them are some of the most stable, sane people you would ever meet.

[lizbud]

Competition

Collecting/re-enactment

Employment (No, those jobs aren't in the help wanted section of the newspaper)

There are relatively few legal full auto weapons in the US, as they cannot be manufactured for civilian sale (I forget the cutoff date, but it is many years ago that the manufacture and importation of F/A weapons for civilian sale was banned).

The people who legally own them are some of the most stable, sane people you would ever meet.

#1 Collecting? re-enactment of what event?

#2 Only employer I can think of would be Secret Service or general Law
Enforcement.

There must be a large & thriving underground in trade & sale of these kind
of weapons.They are the weapon of choice for all the nuts cases that make
national news.

[Lady's Human]

The national news blows it on a routine basis when reporting most incidents. Most of the time when they report an "AK-47" or "M-16" used in a crime, it isn't. It may be a semi-auto lookalike, but M-16's and AK's are rare birds.

Most crimes are not committed with fully automatic weapons. Semi autos? Yup. Legally purchased weapons? Somewhat less than 5% of all crimes are committed with legally purchased weapons. (FBI Stat, I don't have time to go looking for the exact % at the moment)

It really doesn't make a difference whether it's a single shot rifle or a machine gun. It's the person, not the tool. I could probably cause more damage with a single shot rifle than many criminals can cause with a fully auto firearm.

[mike001]

Loved your post Goodnow, thanks for sharing.
I'm not for or against any religion but it seems that a simple humatarian christian prayer for our friends and neighbors wouldn't hurt start the day off on the right foot. We are all humanitarians and christians, so what's the harm?

[Edwina's Secretary]

No.... we are not all christians. The US was NOT founded as a Christian nation no matter what lies the Religious Right wants to tell you.

It was founded as a nation of religious freedom.

Once a gun nut...always a gun nut I guess....no matter how many of our children get blown away by the ease with which these instruments of death can be bought.

[Lady's Human]

Again, firearms are NOT easily purchased if one does so legally. The problem is not with legal ownership. The problem is with criminals. You can ban everything under the sun, and criminals will still find a way to do what they want.


Ah, well. Once a lib, always a lib, not matter what constitutional rights get trampled.

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE=Lady's Human]Again, firearms are NOT easily purchased if one does so legally. The problem is not with legal ownership. The problem is with criminals. You can ban everything under the sun, and criminals will still find a way to do what they want.

Thats true !!!! I know many responsible firearm owners here, it's not them who cause the bother....it's the criminals. And even with the strict gun laws we have here downunder, it's always the crims who use them to commit crimes, and when caught carrying those weapons, they are always found to be without a licence.
So where are all of these illegal weapons coming from ??? There is a black market for this. And why do unlicenced people require them ??? Simple...to commit crimes.
It wouldn't make any difference if your country had the strict laws that we have......the crims are going to get the weapons anyway.
So disarming the public is NOT the answer.
Wom

[wombat2u2004]

Loved your post Goodnow, thanks for sharing.
I'm not for or against any religion but it seems that a simple humatarian christian prayer for our friends and neighbors wouldn't hurt start the day off on the right foot. We are all humanitarians and christians, so what's the harm?

There is no harm in the majority (Christians) practicing this at the start of each schoolday. I did it when I was young, and it certainly never hurt me, it probably shaped me into the law abiding and moral person I am today.
The Freedom of Religion section contained within the Constitution (both yours and ours), gives that right to every person of every religion.
So whats the big deal in doing what is right ??? I'm sure we allow other persons of other religions to do the same.
What next ???? Are new immigrants going to be offended by your flag ???
Would you consider changing that to suit the political correct ???
Wom

[lady_zana]

It was founded as a nation of religious freedom.

Hehehehehe....we weren't really founded on Religious Freedom....the Puritians wanted freedom for THEIR religion, not anyone elses......

That said, most of the Founding Fathers were not Christian so much as Deists.

There is no harm in the majority (Christians) practicing this at the start of each schoolday. I did it when I was young, and it certainly never hurt me, it probably shaped me into the law abiding and moral person I am today.

I never had prayer in school and I'm a law-abiding citizen. My parents took me to Mass every Sunday. I feel this is the way it should be - teaching religion should be the parents choice, not the schools.

The Freedom of Religion section contained within the Constitution (both yours and ours), gives that right to every person of every religion.
So whats the big deal in doing what is right ??? I'm sure we allow other persons of other religions to do the same.

But we wouldn't be allowing other religions to do the same if we started every morning off with a Christian prayer. I was raised Catholic. In my life, I have met many people who don't believe being Catholic is the same thing as being Christian. Those people would be horrified if every morning the teacher lead the class in a rosary prayer. But it's Christian, so what's the harm, right?

What next ???? Are new immigrants going to be offended by your flag ???
Would you consider changing that to suit the political correct ???
Wom

The flag is a non-issue here. People don't worship the flag; how they feel about the flag isn't an issue of being taught in schools. There is a difference in being forced to pray to a god you don't believe in and seeing a symbol you may not like.

[DrKym]

Loved your post Goodnow, thanks for sharing.
I'm not for or against any religion but it seems that a simple humatarian christian prayer for our friends and neighbors wouldn't hurt start the day off on the right foot. We are all humanitarians and christians, so what's the harm?

We are ALL not christians, although I would venture that most on this board are of a humanitarian nature.

[Edwina's Secretary]

If guns are outlawed, only outlaws would have guns...just curious...the shooters in these (just to name a few)

Virginia Tech 04/16/07

Amish Country, PA

Wisconsin

Columbine High School

Moses Lake , Washington 2/2/96

Bethel , Alaska 2/19/97!

Pearl , Mississippi 10/1/97

West Paducah , Kentucky 12/1/97

Stam! p, Arkansas 12/15/97

Jonesboro , Arkansas 3/24/98

How many were criminals (before the infamous shooting)??????

If the existing laws are sufficient...and IF ONLY "they" would enforce those laws....

The guy in Virginia bought his gun legally. No exisiting law was broken or unenforced....

so the question is...which of these shootings was the result of convicted criminals or people who bought guns illegally???

Which of these would have been prevented if exisiting gun laws were enforced???

Is the answer all of them???...or nearly all of them???....(It certainly isn't Viriginia Tech!)

Or are these just the same tired arguments...smoke screens...knee-jerk emotional responses the gun lobby throws up every time there is a horrendous shooting because of the availablity of instruments of death in this country?

[Lady's Human]

Mr. Cho should not have been able to purchase either firearm. A Federal Law barring people with a history of mental illness was unenforced.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Mr. Cho should not have been able to purchase either firearm. A Federal Law barring people with a history of mental illness was unenforced.

Sorry...LH...but you are wrong. He did not meet the legal definition of mental illness required to cause a ban on purchasing an instrument of death!