Living an environmentally friendly life ... is it possible? (a rant)

[sparks19]

It seems that we are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this one..... when you think you are making a better choice for the environment we often don't look past the here and now..... "When I drive this car I release less pollutants into the air" we don't think about what went into the making of this vehicle or what will happen when that vehicle no longer runs.... are you really helping or are you making things worse?

I know I DEFINATELY did not think about what happens when those lightbulbs burn out. it seems like such a good idea.... conserve energy... etc etc.... I can honestly say I didn't think about 20 years from now when those lightbulbs are no longer any good.

Hmmmmm quite perplexing. Unless of course we all just stop driving all together but then again... if we do that what happens to all the scrap? Rock and a hard place.

[KittyGurl]

Well, the car thing is absolutly right. But maybe everyone should ride a bike, horseback ride or walk to places instead of riding in a car. Just an idea.

[cassiesmom]

Do the benefits of switching to high efficiency light bulbs outweigh the risks of mercury exposure after they're discarded? I just started using my first high efficiency light bulb a few weeks ago.

Until electricity and gasoline get so prohibitively expensive that people are forced to make hard choices, I don't think there's a lot of hope for change within my generation (the "baby bust" of the late '60s and early '70s). Maybe younger people will be able to get it done because they have been brought up in a more energy- and environment-conscious society.

[Lady's Human]

High efficiency fluorescents aren't. We have them in our house, and we have yet to have one last more than a year. The claims are inflated at best.

LED and LED Film lighting will be where high efficiency lighting truly comes in. (As to the LED film, imagine being able to paint your ceiling with a material and have it give off light. Over simplified, but it's being worked on)

Our house will eventually go to an on grid solar system, but that's a few years off.

[Giselle]

Our house will eventually go to an on grid solar system, but that's a few years off.

Same. I really want to get a solar system grid on our rooftop, but it costs an exorbitant amount of money and the energy it offsets will not cover all our basic electricity needs. Hopefully, more productive and less expensive solar grids will be available in the next couple of years.

I got over being depressed about the state of our earth. Now, the only thing we *can* do is to take action. Buy from local farmer's markets, eat less meat, buy eco-friendly products, meaning, you will have to research. Hybrids sound nice, but I remember reading an article about Toyota trying to fight some legislature that would help the environment but cost the car companies. We live in a world of double-standards and changing the environment requires us to change our own lives. Unfortunately, many seem to be in denial about the latter (and the former!).

We do what we can. I'm a vegetarian and try to buy at least a quarter of my groceries at farmer's markets and am in the process of growing my own food. There's not much variety in my garden, but it helps to offset the stress on our environment. Instead of throwing away our vegetable peels and coffee grounds, we compost them for usage in the garden. It's not much, but we do what we can. Small people can create monumental changes, and the change begins at home

[columbine]

Like everything else, it's not black and white. Articles like that are penned by people who are so frightened by the prospect that they might indeed be partially responsible for the state of the world after all that, by damn, they're giving up right now, and so should everybody else!

Just do your best. We're still learning, and so we're still making mistakes. I started with recycling, since my city has a good curbside program, and buying organic food now and then when I'm particularly flush. I still "sin" all the time (MOST of the time!) but it doesn't make me give up hope - a little is always better than nothing. The ultimate "solution" would be to create and disseminate a virus that would wipe Homo sapiens off the planet, and you'd have a hard time finding proponents for that (outside of PETA, anyway!)

Love, Columbine

[Blue_Frog]

Like everything else, it's not black and white. Articles like that are penned by people who are so frightened by the prospect that they might indeed be partially responsible for the state of the world after all that, by damn, they're giving up right now, and so should everybody else!

Just do your best. We're still learning, and so we're still making mistakes. I started with recycling, since my city has a good curbside program, and buying organic food now and then when I'm particularly flush. I still "sin" all the time (MOST of the time!) but it doesn't make me give up hope - a little is always better than nothing. The ultimate "solution" would be to create and disseminate a virus that would wipe Homo sapiens off the planet, and you'd have a hard time finding proponents for that (outside of PETA, anyway!)

Love, Columbine

LOL -- i wrote what you see above, and all links in that are things i found relating to the topics that i was discussing above

And by no means have I given up, and I know what impact I have on things -- its the recognizing part of it that helps to see where change can be implemented. For example, I dont eat store bought chicken or eggs anymore - i get them from an organic farm that my moms friend runs. I know how the animals are treated, and i know what the eat, and what her farm impact is on the area around it. I carpool to work, which is a step in the right direction, but not the full solution.

The thing i wrote above was to get some thinking out there, and see what people are trying to do to like a little more 'green'


Edit to add: What i wrote above is to get people to start seeing the 'next step' lets call it --- i'm doing X now, but it has Y impact. How can I make it better and achieve Z sort of thing

[Catty1]

Well, on one thing - the fluorescent bulbs - I have replaced almost all the bulbs in my condo with them. Have yet to have one burn out. There's an old circular one in my storage closet that is about 10 yrs old - I turn the switch, it thinks about it, and then flickers on! It hasn't been on constantly all those years - but has travelled everywhere with me.

My newer ones from GE - turn on right away, and have a nice soft glow to them, not that icy blue or winter-yuck yellow.

Disposal? Hey, fire departments and municipalities have hazardous waste collections once or twice a year. Just add the bulbs.

I think part of the goal is to have what is now called a 'negative footprint' - don't hurt the earth at a faster rate than it can heal. Mother Nature is amazing when given half a chance!

[Karen]

I took the "eco footprint" test, and found it odd and extremely limiting. It asks you things like what city is your weather like, and the closest to me was NYC, but we're colder and further North.

It asks how big one's house is, but doesn't ask if your house is insulated.
It doesn't ask what kind of heating system you use.
It doesn't ask whether you use air conditioning in the summer, etc., etc.
It doesn't ask what temperature you set the house to in colder months.
It doesn't ask about how many major appliances or computers you own/run daily.
It doesn't ask if you recycle anything, or how much you recycle, or what you recycle.
It doesn't ask how big your lawn is and if you have to water it, and how many months of the year.
It doesn't ask if you compost.
It asks if you have more or less waste than your neighbors - well, that doesn't prove anything. We, for example, are two people, the neighbors are 7 (parents and 5 kids), so ...

It doesn't take many, many things into account, so I don't give it any credibility, sadly.

[Blue_Frog]

I took the "eco footprint" test, and found it odd and extremely limiting. It asks you things like what city is your weather like, and the closest to me was NYC, but we're colder and further North.
...
It doesn't take many, many things into account, so I don't give it any credibility, sadly.

I did a look around, and found what appears to be more comprehensive footprint tests for anyone interested -- they take about 10 mins to complete, and cover different things like home, retail, business, etc -- it's australian, but it prolly still applies

http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/ecological...rs/default.asp

Also, theres an entire organization dedicated to that as well ...

http://www.footprintnetwork.org/

[Lady's Human]

A large factor in the life expectancy of the CF bulbs is the purity of the local power grid.

If you're in an urban area with relatively new power distribution systems, they last longer. However, if you're out in the middle of nowhere, with a power grid that was last updated more than 30 years ago, you're screwed.

[Catty1]

Karen, the term "negative footprint" is one I have heard used, such as an interview with a company whose goal it was to have that in 10 years, for example.

I am sure there are some 'eco-footprint' quizzes around, most of dubious quality.

There was a great eco-questionnaire from the Gov't of Canada, until Mr Harper cut almost ALL funding to the initiative.

I'll see what I can find...

[crow_noir]

First off, thanks for the article to get people thinking.

As someone who cares it can get a bit depressing trying to weigh the amount of "evil" in each decision. As you said though... we just try to do the best that we can.

I re-use re-use RE-USE. People may laugh, but I'm proud. I even stitch up holes in undergarments. If i use a paper-towel for some food I save it in a pile for later grimy cleaning.

I also have tried to eliminate chemical cleaners from our household. Just about the only things left are shampoo and laundry detergent (which we use about 1/10th the recommended amount. We also don't use it with every load of laundry. Vinegar or baking soda usually.)

We mulch our lawn clippings and have our blade set higher for a nicer healthier lawn that retains more water.

S.O. car pools when he can. (unfortunately due to my failing health i can no longer ride my bike to work. *WAH!!!!* Insert long rant, pouting, crying and whining here.)

Probably a bunch of other things that have just become regular routine to me that i don't think about anymore.

Oh, and i can't sign off from this post with out saying... "Do you FreeCycle?"

12:00 Friday Mar 4 2007: I use manual tools instead of power tools when I can. Like I use a shovel instead of an electric or gas powered edger to edge the sidewalks.

LOL -- i wrote what you see above, and all links in that are things i found relating to the topics that i was discussing above

And by no means have I given up, and I know what impact I have on things -- its the recognizing part of it that helps to see where change can be implemented. For example, I dont eat store bought chicken or eggs anymore - i get them from an organic farm that my moms friend runs. I know how the animals are treated, and i know what the eat, and what her farm impact is on the area around it. I carpool to work, which is a step in the right direction, but not the full solution.

The thing i wrote above was to get some thinking out there, and see what people are trying to do to like a little more 'green'


Edit to add: What i wrote above is to get people to start seeing the 'next step' lets call it --- i'm doing X now, but it has Y impact. How can I make it better and achieve Z sort of thing

[smokey the elder]

The way I see it, small changes multiplied by a huge population gives a huge economy of scale. For example, one can calculate, for example, the amount of energy saved in BTU if everyone lowered their thermostat in the winter by 2 deg F, or, conversely, raised it in the summer by 2 degrees. Market pressures like peak vs. off-peak pricing for electricity can modify behavior. One can drive a higher-milage internal combustion car. There always is a cost to any human activity; Niven called it the TaNSTAAFL principle ("There ain't no such thing as a free lunch!")

What Blue Frog did was a type of cradle-to-grave analysis. These are two-edged tools. You need a lot of information to do these, and can get discouraged if you don't know all the inputs and outputs. Bottom line: do the best you can. I personally like the idea of planting more trees and having gardens on roofs. The tree is one of the most efficient CO2 sinks there is!

[Blue_Frog]

What Blue Frog did was a type of cradle-to-grave analysis. These are two-edged tools. You need a lot of information to do these, and can get discouraged if you don't know all the inputs and outputs. Bottom line: do the best you can. I personally like the idea of planting more trees and having gardens on roofs. The tree is one of the most efficient CO2 sinks there is!

Pretty much -- i've been too tied up in Product Development lately, and seeing how those principles tie into other things around us (like the environment). My company has been working towards more environmentally friendly products (recycled and biodegradable packaging, better production methods, etc.), however there is still a ways to go.

Just because something isn't perfect, it doesn't mean you give up. It means that you work harder to make it better, constant improvement. And the environment is the same on a much broader scale. Like, using Lady's Human light example ---

1. Right now? Incandescent bulbs.
2. The Improvement? Compact Flourescent, which still have problems for recycling, etc.
3. The Improvement? Lady's Human light example of LED and LED Film lighting (Light Emitting Diodes, look at the little green light on your PC tower, thats an LED) ... better.
4. The Improvement? ...

And so on -- There may not be perfection, but theres always 'Better' and 'Improving'