I can't say I'm Sorry

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE=Puckstop31]God has given us dominion over His animal creation.

Who wrote that one ??? Some hungry 11th century monk ????
Wom

[Puckstop31]

Who wrote that one ??? Some hungry 11th century monk ????
Wom

No... The Word of God.

Genesis 1:27-28

"27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

[Catty1]

Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

And who is to distinguish between responsible rule and dictatorship? Some humans take this and run the wrong way with it.

To me, this implies stewardship as well.

[sparks19]

And who is to distinguish between responsible rule and dictatorship? Some humans take this and run the wrong way with it.

To me, this implies stewardship as well.

Some humans do everything to the extreme. It can't really be stopped.... there are always going to be people that take a mile when given an inch. but the responsible people shouldn't be condemned for it. Human nature is what it is..... we can't all be trusted to do "the right thing" in every situation.... there are always going to be those that take things to the extreme..... It's just unfortunate that the rest have to be thrown into the group with the whackos.

[wombat2u2004]

Some humans do everything to the extreme. It can't really be stopped.... there are always going to be people that take a mile when given an inch. but the responsible people shouldn't be condemned for it. Human nature is what it is..... we can't all be trusted to do "the right thing" in every situation.... there are always going to be those that take things to the extreme..... It's just unfortunate that the rest have to be thrown into the group with the whackos.

So.....the seal hunters ??? Responsible or extreme ????
Wom

[Puckstop31]

And who is to distinguish between responsible rule and dictatorship? Some humans take this and run the wrong way with it.

To me, this implies stewardship as well.

Indeed. I agree with you 100%.

[RICHARD]

http://www.easterseals.com/site/PageServer
No one has mentioned the Easter Seals.


http://199.208.208.41/

Not all SEALS are helpless.

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Hmmm,

Let's try this one on for size..

Burning building.

You race in and have to save a hunter or someone who abuses little animals.

The stock answer probably will be, "I let them both die!"

Hmmm, makes me wonder......

[wombat2u2004]

No... The Word of God.

Genesis 1:27-28

"27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Really now ????
Wom

[Pawsitive Thinking]

No... The Word of God.

Genesis 1:27-28

"27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

I'm sorry but I can't be doing with this. While I respect that everyone has a right to choose what they believe (I am still undecided) I really don't think it can be used as ammunition in a "debate"

[Puckstop31]

I'm sorry but I can't be doing with this. While I respect that everyone has a right to choose what they believe (I am still undecided) I really don't think it can be used as ammunition in a "debate"

Why?

[Marigold2]

Puck,

Again if it was a decision between someone evil such as Hitler and your dog I think most people would save their pet before they save a Hilter, or a Jack the Ripper. A great deal of people would save their pet before they would go back in to save a child molester. I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking that way. And no I don't think that EVERY human life is more important then an animal. Some people don't deserve help. Just because my compassion is different then yours does not make me ill. It's a free country and I can help whomever I so choose, give money or time to whatever charity I want.
Staring an animal in the eyes and blowing it's brains out makes me wonder about your mental health, kindness and goodness of heart. What about your dog will you shot him as well if you are bored and need to unwind?

Animals don't hunt for fun or to hang a trophy. They hunt for survival. Nor do they molest their young. Their hearts in many ways are kinder and more loving then humans. As for being on top of the food chain, I don't know about you but my level of compassion is not decided by someones IQ.
Just because a dog, hamster or rabbit is less intelligent then a human does not make their life worth less. I am sure if we could speak to them they would tell you how much they love their lives and don't want to suffer or die. Just as it doesn't make a difference if a person with Altzheimers or mental retardation needs help. Their IQ might be less then a dogs but my compassion again isn't doled out that way. I just don't care about the evil people.

[Puckstop31]

Puck,

Again if it was a decision between someone evil such as Hitler and your dog I think most people would save their pet before they save a Hilter, or a Jack the Ripper. A great deal of people would save their pet before they would go back in to save a child molester. I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking that way.

But that is not what you said. You said "YOU" as in the tense of talking about ME. In your mind are Adolf Hitler and myself parallel people?

Also, would you leave me to die over a hamster? You never answered that for me. It is kind of important here.

And no I don't think that EVERY human life is more important then an animal. Some people don't deserve help.

In your mind. To me, there is ALWAYS hope for every human soul.

Staring an animal in the eyes and blowing it's brains out makes me wonder about your mental health, kindness and goodness of heart. What about your dog will you shot him as well if you are bored and need to unwind?

First, I don't "blow their brains out". Nice work overly dramatizing though. I do not hunt because I have some urge to kill. You just totally do not understand who I am. You have a sterotype of what a hunter is in your brain and I know nothing will ever change your mind, at least on a internet forum.

See, you suggesting that I would shoot my pets if I was "bored" just shows more and more how irrational and totally EMOTIONAL your ideas about hunting are.

Nor do they molest their young. Their hearts in many ways are kinder and more loving then humans.

Except for male polar bears who eat young polar bears. Or... And....


Now..

As for being on top of the food chain, I don't know about you but my level of compassion is not decided by someones IQ.

Then you say...

Just because a dog, hamster or rabbit is less intelligent then a human does not make their life worth less. I am sure if we could speak to them they would tell you how much they love their lives and don't want to suffer or die. Just as it doesn't make a difference if a person with Altzheimers or mental retardation needs help. Their IQ might be less then a dogs but my compassion again isn't doled out that way. I just don't care about the evil people.

Apparently IQ does have something to do with it. Tell me, what does evil mean to you? What makes a person evil to you?

[lizbud]

Puck,

Again if it was a decision between someone evil such as Hitler and your dog I think most people would save their pet before they save a Hilter, or a Jack the Ripper. A great deal of people would save their pet before they would go back in to save a child molester. I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking that way. And no I don't think that EVERY human life is more important then an animal. Some people don't deserve help. Just because my compassion is different then yours does not make me ill. It's a free country and I can help whomever I so choose, give money or time to whatever charity I want.
Staring an animal in the eyes and blowing it's brains out makes me wonder about your mental health, kindness and goodness of heart. What about your dog will you shot him as well if you are bored and need to unwind?

Animals don't hunt for fun or to hang a trophy. They hunt for survival. Nor do they molest their young. Their hearts in many ways are kinder and more loving then humans. As for being on top of the food chain, I don't know about you but my level of compassion is not decided by someones IQ.
Just because a dog, hamster or rabbit is less intelligent then a human does not make their life worth less. I am sure if we could speak to them they would tell you how much they love their lives and don't want to suffer or die. Just as it doesn't make a difference if a person with Altzheimers or mental retardation needs help. Their IQ might be less then a dogs but my compassion again isn't doled out that way. I just don't care about the evil people.

I understand what you are saying & I agree 100%. Don't let anyone
here manipulate this conversation into a personal one. Some folks are only
content when they are talking about themselves & every discussion turns
into a personal battle.

[Puckstop31]

I understand what you are saying & I agree 100%. Don't let anyone
here manipulate this conversation into a personal one. Some folks are only
content when they are talking about themselves & every discussion turns
into a personal battle.

How typically sophomoric of you Lizbud. Dodge the issue and attack what you think is my "style" of speaking.

[Blue_Frog]

I'm not expecting to change any minds here, but would like to voice my opinion.

I can't speak for Puck or anyone else on here, but I can speak for my moms boyfriend, who is also a hunter. He is one of the most caring men that I have met, and was devistated when his dog finally succumbed to terminal cancer.

He participates in the legal hunting of the White Tailed deer up here in Ontario as part of a population control method to prevent the winter starvation of many of the deer population. He will -not- shoot at a deer until he is guaranteed 100% to kill the animal with the first shot, and has come home from many hunts over many years without a kill. With the exception of my sister, no one in my family or their sig-others are a vegetarian, and I have a lot of respect for my moms boyfriend - he has made the decision to be a part of the food chain, and is seeing what he is eating. How many other 'meat eaters' out there can say the same? How many people get their meat neatly wrapped up in plastic without having any ties to the animal that it came from?

Not all hunters are gun toting yokels, out to shoot everything that moves. Many are caring, and many are environmentalists and care deeply about the world around them.

Staring an animal in the eyes and blowing it's brains out makes me wonder about your mental health, kindness and goodness of heart.
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Animals don't hunt for fun or to hang a trophy. They hunt for survival. Nor do they molest their young. Their hearts in many ways are kinder and more loving then humans.

So, staring at an animal that has had its guts pulled out by coyotes and humanely ending its life with a bullet makes for less 'mental health'? Yes, this is a situation that my moms bf ran across while out in the woods at the farm, and he did what he had to. I'll let him know that hes unkind and uncaring and has a lack of goodness of heart. Because all hunters are uncaring murderers.

Animals are not always nice or caring to each other. Animals are canabilistic, animals will kill their own young, and predators will toy with a kill and occasionally eat animals while they are still alive (ever see an outdoor kitty playing with a fieldmouse?). I'm sorry if this is graphic, but it is true.

Canabilism?
http://www.tigerhomes.org/animal/php...8dfe1aa5c956d8
http://ladywildlife.com/animal/canni...inanimals.html


EDIT: quote removed as being inadvertantly offensive, as not indended that way.