I can't say I'm Sorry

[sparks19]

I don't think you are allowed to hunt them....

Hunt what? Homeless people? lol you are funny

and just for the record..... I also don't eat Venison.... therefore I don't hunt. But I know many people that do eat venison and many people that hunt. I might try wild Turkey..... but I'm wierd about meat ... hard to explain lol but I leave half of it behind.... any piece that isn't JUST meat (like if it has fat or gristle in it) does not get eaten by me. I'm afraid to try new kinds of meat lol

[DrKym]

I don't think you are allowed to hunt them....

I think it falls under Tourist season.................

[Pembroke_Corgi]

In fact I DO think everyone has a choice.... and I will never condemn anyone for working for a living when so many would just say forget it and go onto welfare for the rest of their lives when there IS a job available.... These people are working for a living and they are being thrown to the lions saying they deserve to get stuck out in the ice and die because they do their JOB. My job is not my life ... I do it to make a living. And these people DO deserve their money because they are working for it. So I'm not sure what your point is there. This just shows that no one TRULY has to be on welfare.... they just might have to do a job they don't particularly like... but around here the terrible jobs are working at McDonalds.... shows what a spoiled society we live in. I applaude these families for doing what they can and not just giving up and going on welfare.

You're right. People who take the undesirable jobs in society are actually unsung hereos... Where would we be without all the people who take jobs the rest of us don't want? Thank god that people like drug dealers and prostitutes don't think, "My life would be so much better if I just quit my job and lived off the state."

You must live in a really sheltered part of the country if you honestly believe that the worst job you could take to survive is working at McDonald's.

[sparks19]

You're right. People who take the undesirable jobs in society are actually unsung hereos... Where would we be without all the people who take jobs the rest of us don't want? Thank god that people like drug dealers and prostitutes don't think, "My life would be so much better if I just quit my job and lived off the state."

You must live in a really sheltered part of the country if you honestly believe that the worst job you could take to survive is working at McDonald's.

LOL No need to be snarky lol.

My point is that most of the people that end up on welfare do so because they don't WANT to work the "demeaning" jobs like Mcdonalds or work in fields picking strawberries. There are plenty of jobs for those who are willing to work them..... it's just that too many people seem to think those jobs are "beneath" them. Those prostitutes and drug dealers COULD work at McDonalds... they just choose not to because they make a killing selling themselves. Or Walmart. I don't believe that McDonalds is a bad place to take a job..... my uncle worked for McDonalds for over 30 years.... climbed the corporate ladder and got paid a darn pretty penny for working there. If I couldn't find a job I would have no problem working at Mcdonalds or Burger King... been there done that and it isn't a terrible job.... you just have to deal with a lot of nasty people but that is true for any customer service job. But in places like Newfoundland they don't have all those McDonalds and stuff on every corner so their livelyhood often rely's on the seal hunt.... and as I said I would do it too if it meant feeding my family.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

LOL No need to be snarky lol.

My point is that most of the people that end up on welfare do so because they don't WANT to work the "demeaning" jobs like Mcdonalds or work in fields picking strawberries. There are plenty of jobs for those who are willing to work them..... it's just that too many people seem to think those jobs are "beneath" them. Those prostitutes and drug dealers COULD work at McDonalds... they just choose not to because they make a killing selling themselves. Or Walmart. I don't believe that McDonalds is a bad place to take a job..... my uncle worked for McDonalds for over 30 years.... climbed the corporate ladder and got paid a darn pretty penny for working there. If I couldn't find a job I would have no problem working at Mcdonalds or Burger King... been there done that and it isn't a terrible job.... you just have to deal with a lot of nasty people but that is true for any customer service job. But in places like Newfoundland they don't have all those McDonalds and stuff on every corner so their livelyhood often rely's on the seal hunt.... and as I said I would do it too if it meant feeding my family.

I understand where you are coming from- but I disagree that people on welfare are just using the system. No doubt there are a few that would rather receive free pennies from the government over work....but I think the vast majority of the people on welfare are legitimately destitute, and they need help so they can feed their children. I believe you have to have children to get the assistance.

Now, the part that we disagree on is that you think it is more morally reprehensible to receive government aid than to kill animals for a living. Perhaps it is just me, but I would go on welfare any day before I would ever choose to make a living killing other living things. But....I doubt the choice would ever be that one-sided. There are other choices people can make.

[Puckstop31]

But....I doubt the choice would ever be that one-sided. There are other choices people can make.

Where you live, sure... Other places in the world, not always. We have our standard of living to allow us to worry about such trite things as this thread discusses.

Just pray that our way of life as we know it never changes. A Human is never more than 9 or so meals away from committing acts of barbarism.

[lizbud]

The seal "hunt" is an off season activity & is not the sole source of
income for these people. It is not a make or break situation for them.
It's extra money for them, but it's a matter of life or death for the animals.

A little info on the overall problems in the fishing industry & enviromental
concerns.


http://www.fisherycrisis.com/seals/greysealhunt.htm

[king2005]

I don't think I have ever seen a homeless person hunt.

Saw it all the time back in Ottawa. College students will toss quarters onto the main roads (4-6 lanes) during rush hour & watch the homless people run into traffic, hoping to get one pegged off by a car...

There are so many homless people killed every year for sport.

Its nothing new.. happens all the time... not saying its right, just saying it happens.

[angelbow20]

I dont know if this has anything to do with seal hunting, but about a week ago on tv I was watching something on seals and one reason people hunt them is the same reason they are aloud to hunt deer and wild turkey, Over population... Do I like to see any animal die? No of course not but if certain animals werent hunted they would end up dying on their own by starving and same goes for the other animals who live on the same food and certain fish they eat could become endangered or even gone forever. I dont know about you but I know I wouldnt want to starve to death I think that would be very painful. I dont think its fair for any animal to die but I dont hate the people who do it, I feel in a way they are helping them even though that sounds crazy.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Saw it all the time back in Ottawa. College students will toss quarters onto the main roads (4-6 lanes) during rush hour & watch the homless people run into traffic, hoping to get one pegged off by a car...

There are so many homless people killed every year for sport.

Its nothing new.. happens all the time... not saying its right, just saying it happens.

OMG! I am so sorry for my flippant remark. I did not realise that such atrocities existed. Abject apologies to anyone I may have offended. My msn name is "put brain in gear before opening mouth......."

[Sophist]

Wow this thread has become a big argument. Yes I said SEALS only but what about the deer? What about the bunnies? What about all the other animals who stay together family like. Yes some animals abandon their babies but duh so do people. You are crazy lady...

We were discussing this situation.

Even in the Dog House, I don't think there is room for name-calling.

[Sophist]

Your last post is much to long to quote entirely, but would like to
respond to this paragraph,

"Although if you'd really like to continue here, I would be more than happy to do so. When I am sincerely interested in an issue, I never tire of it. I would love any facts, figures, or expert opinions you can provide me that refute my arguments. Any new or convincing argument that I have to work into my view will only make my next letter to Canada, my local newspaper or underground 'zine that much more thought out and complete, so please share anything you have. "

I really would like to see & read any links or references you have used to
base your opinions on, so please enlighten me.Post any links to info you
have. Thanks.

My opinions have been formed over numerous years. If you'd like to pick anything you actually question or would like to know more about, I would be glad to foffer some more support for it. However, I would also encourage you to look at the numerous links I have already shared.

[Sophist]

Wow, glad to see a few more people who are willing to look at the other side showed up while I was away. I was starting to get lonely .


And ladies (it's mostly ladies, anyway) I feel we've actually done a fairly good job at keeping this mostly civil over the course of things. Let's all try hard not to trip at the finish line.


Also, a big thanks to the poster who posted some of the government contact info on the link... one of the things I cam back here to do. When I have a bit, I'll have to check out the link and see if there are any addresses I know to ad or anything.


And, lastly, I am still very interested in hearing what any of the folks vehemently opposed to the hunt have done to express their views to those actually involved in it. Not just calling you out (well, maybe a little, but not JUST that ), I am actually interested in knowing the ways you have all come up to counter-act this.

[wombat2u2004]

The seal "hunt" is an off season activity & is not the sole source of
income for these people. It is not a make or break situation for them.
It's extra money for them, but it's a matter of life or death for the animals.

A little info on the overall problems in the fishing industry & enviromental
concerns.


http://www.fisherycrisis.com/seals/greysealhunt.htm

Yahhhhh.....I had a laugh at all the excuses we got from the crocodile hunters here a few years ago in Oz....how they NEEDED the cull to actually have food on their table, to go on their yearly holiday to ski in Austria, to keep there speedboat properly fueled so that they could enjoy a ride around the bay after their barbeque with drinkies during the summer.
Poor little hunters.....I really felt sorry for them when they stopped most of the cull. I mean.....just WHAT is the world coming to ???? No crocodile skin handbags and shoes and stuff ???? Women will never be the same now !!!!
Imagine....NO crocodile skin accessories.
What actually WAS refreshing tho....was the knowledge that every now and again....a croc got smarter....and got one of them. Yep....you want the big bucks....you take the risks. Trouble is tho.....it is the big bucks that rule....so who really gives a heck if the crocs go extinct.
I wonder where those hunters are now ???? Hmmm...dunno....probably all starved to death....probably.
Wom

[lizbud]

My opinions have been formed over numerous years. If you'd like to pick anything you actually question or would like to know more about, I would be glad to foffer some more support for it. However, I would also encourage you to look at the numerous links I have already shared.

I'm sorry you couldn't be more helpful now, but I will search back through
all the posts & try to get an idea of what facts interested you.

I'll get back to you next week sometime, after i've found the links.