I can't say I'm Sorry

[sparks19]

SOME of those people ????? So what you are saying is that the others are just doing it for fun....???? Right ????
And exactly HOW could someone hunting something in the wild be more humane than those who kill abbatoir slaughtered animals ???? They have laws in place exactly how animals are killed in slaughterhouses, and I know for a fact that it is VERY humane. As for hunting....humane ??? Nope, not buying into that one.....I've seen the results of too many hunts in my life, a wounded animal is sometimes tracked for hours and hours, trying to escape with half of it's gut hanging out, and even sometimes the hunters lose the animal, or simply just couldn't be bothered to put in the time necessary to finish the hunt. Some of these animals take weeks to die......I have seen it....many times. If you think for one moment that hunters are humane, then you should have another think coming. How many hunters do you know who are such fantastic shots that we have a "one shot, instantaneous kill" situation. NOT very many.

As for jobs required by the people of Newfoundland, which is their reason to continue these hunts.....well if my memory serves me right....just how humane were the coal pits of Cape Breton ???? Where children no more than 12 years old worked their lives away in the coal mines ???? Only to die of exhaustion or coughing their blood filled lungs up, to eke out a living, so that they could actually have something to eat ??? What for ??? So that someone could get rich !!!! Someone who didn't give a damn about those kids lives. Tragic ???? You betcha !!!! So why did they stop that ???? If responsible people hadn't stepped in at the time....I'll bet my butt that that practice would still be considered by those who care nothing about making money ANY way they can. And so it is the same now with the seal pups.....the dollars are involved, it's as simple as that.

Anyway....who are we to play God ???? To say who or what dies, or who and what lives ???
Wom

Well I can't say all of the hunters because then you would be saying "well how could you know if all hunters do that" it's a lose lose situation

and around here farm raised animals are NOT always treated humanely.... why do you think there is a big bruhaha about taking free range meat over "regular" meat. Because they live more humane lives.... they are killed FAR more humanely. In many cases here the cows that are slaughtered are killed very inhumanely. It has even gone so far in some places to where the cows are not put to death before the slaughter starts.....

I guess I am just lucky to be surrounded by responsible hunters. I have never known any of our friends to wound and animal and not put it out of it's misery and just let it go. No one I know does that.... is that to say it doesn't happen? of course not.

They put a stop to Cape Breton because they were 12 year old kids.... there are labour laws. A bunch of adults going out to do a job to support their families is not NEARLY in the same group as forcing children to work in mines and die. that's like comparing apples to french fries. Again I say.... if it came down to my family starving to death or clubbing seals to put food on my table.... I would pick feeding my starving children over the seals. In that case I would never EVER put an animals life before my families life.

Marigold.... you may not see many homeless people out hunting.... but MANY of those homeless people are fed from the meat that hunters get. Many many hunters donate their "extra" meat to charities that distribute that meat to homeless shelters and other charities.

but you say you wouldn't help someone who was a hunter if they were dying.... by all means that is your choice.... but I don't know many hunters around here that would not help an animal that was suffering. You think they are just cold blooded killers who just go out and shoot shoot shoot.... but I know of more than one who has come across an animal that was injured or sick and taken it somewhere to get it help. if the animal was in terrible condition then they would put it out of its misery.

So it's ok to kill insects.... they aren't animals so they don't deserve the same respect? I don't get that. how can you be for preserving one kind of life and not another? They don't have the same nerve receptors? so because they don't feel the same kind of pain it's ok? That confuses me.... you say all life is equal... unless you are an insect and then you don't matter.

But the bottom line is..... if I had to do the seal hunt to provide for my family I would a million times over. Like I said... it is easy to say how wrong it is when the worst job we can think of here is working at McDonalds or working in a field picking strawberries. but I bet if you had to feed your family you would do whatever you had to to do that. newfoundland isn't exactly job central.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

Well I can't say all of the hunters because then you would be saying "well how could you know if all hunters do that" it's a lose lose situation

and around here farm raised animals are NOT always treated humanely.... why do you think there is a big bruhaha about taking free range meat over "regular" meat. Because they live more humane lives.... they are killed FAR more humanely. In many cases here the cows that are slaughtered are killed very inhumanely. It has even gone so far in some places to where the cows are not put to death before the slaughter starts.....

I guess I am just lucky to be surrounded by responsible hunters. I have never known any of our friends to wound and animal and not put it out of it's misery and just let it go. No one I know does that.... is that to say it doesn't happen? of course not.

They put a stop to Cape Breton because they were 12 year old kids.... there are labour laws. A bunch of adults going out to do a job to support their families is not NEARLY in the same group as forcing children to work in mines and die. that's like comparing apples to french fries. Again I say.... if it came down to my family starving to death or clubbing seals to put food on my table.... I would pick feeding my starving children over the seals. In that case I would never EVER put an animals life before my families life.

Marigold.... you may not see many homeless people out hunting.... but MANY of those homeless people are fed from the meat that hunters get. Many many hunters donate their "extra" meat to charities that distribute that meat to homeless shelters and other charities.

but you say you wouldn't help someone who was a hunter if they were dying.... by all means that is your choice.... but I don't know many hunters around here that would not help an animal that was suffering. You think they are just cold blooded killers who just go out and shoot shoot shoot.... but I know of more than one who has come across an animal that was injured or sick and taken it somewhere to get it help. if the animal was in terrible condition then they would put it out of its misery.

So it's ok to kill insects.... they aren't animals so they don't deserve the same respect? I don't get that. how can you be for preserving one kind of life and not another? They don't have the same nerve receptors? so because they don't feel the same kind of pain it's ok? That confuses me.... you say all life is equal... unless you are an insect and then you don't matter.

But the bottom line is..... if I had to do the seal hunt to provide for my family I would a million times over. Like I said... it is easy to say how wrong it is when the worst job we can think of here is working at McDonalds or working in a field picking strawberries. but I bet if you had to feed your family you would do whatever you had to to do that. newfoundland isn't exactly job central.

Who said anything about insects? Sorry but, I didn't see anyone post that they killed bugs on their free time but they abhor any other kind of killing. There's a big difference between accidentally and unknowingly stepping on an ant and taking a rifle and blowing the head off of a turkey. Something to do with intention maybe?

And anyway, aren't you the one who thinks we all have choices, and that if people are poor, it is their own fault? If everyone has such a choice, then there they shouldn't have to ever choose to take such an awful job- if they do, it's their fault, right? Because people who work for their money deserve their money more...we don't want poor people stealing from us decent hard working people.

I agree that cows and other animals raised for slaugther lead worse lives than those in the wild- but I also don't agree with hunting. But, I also don't eat meat of any kind. Since you find slaughterhouse practices so horrible, do you likewise abstain from non "free range" meat?

[sparks19]

Who said anything about insects? Sorry but, I didn't see anyone post that they killed bugs on their free time but they abhor any other kind of killing. There's a big difference between accidentally and unknowingly stepping on an ant and taking a rifle and blowing the head off of a turkey. Something to do with intention maybe?

And anyway, aren't you the one who thinks we all have choices, and that if people are poor, it is their own fault? If everyone has such a choice, then there they shouldn't have to ever choose to take such an awful job- if they do, it's their fault, right? Because people who work for their money deserve their money more...we don't want poor people stealing from us decent hard working people.

I agree that cows and other animals raised for slaugther lead worse lives than those in the wild- but I also don't agree with hunting. But, I also don't eat meat of any kind. Since you find slaughterhouse practices so horrible, do you likewise abstain from non "free range" meat?

In fact I DO think everyone has a choice.... and I will never condemn anyone for working for a living when so many would just say forget it and go onto welfare for the rest of their lives when there IS a job available.... These people are working for a living and they are being thrown to the lions saying they deserve to get stuck out in the ice and die because they do their JOB. My job is not my life ... I do it to make a living. And these people DO deserve their money because they are working for it. So I'm not sure what your point is there. This just shows that no one TRULY has to be on welfare.... they just might have to do a job they don't particularly like... but around here the terrible jobs are working at McDonalds.... shows what a spoiled society we live in. I applaude these families for doing what they can and not just giving up and going on welfare.

Nope, I eat meat that I get from the grocery store..... I am just pointing out what others who protest "store bought meat" say. Many that I know say free range meat is better because they are treated better throughout their life time and when they are taken to slaughter..... I just buy whatever meat is available. I personally don't sit there and think about the lifestyle my steak lead.... I just eat it.

As for the bugs..... read back through the posts.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

In fact I DO think everyone has a choice.... and I will never condemn anyone for working for a living when so many would just say forget it and go onto welfare for the rest of their lives when there IS a job available.... These people are working for a living and they are being thrown to the lions saying they deserve to get stuck out in the ice and die because they do their JOB. My job is not my life ... I do it to make a living. And these people DO deserve their money because they are working for it. So I'm not sure what your point is there. This just shows that no one TRULY has to be on welfare.... they just might have to do a job they don't particularly like... but around here the terrible jobs are working at McDonalds.... shows what a spoiled society we live in. I applaude these families for doing what they can and not just giving up and going on welfare.

You're right. People who take the undesirable jobs in society are actually unsung hereos... Where would we be without all the people who take jobs the rest of us don't want? Thank god that people like drug dealers and prostitutes don't think, "My life would be so much better if I just quit my job and lived off the state."

You must live in a really sheltered part of the country if you honestly believe that the worst job you could take to survive is working at McDonald's.

[sparks19]

You're right. People who take the undesirable jobs in society are actually unsung hereos... Where would we be without all the people who take jobs the rest of us don't want? Thank god that people like drug dealers and prostitutes don't think, "My life would be so much better if I just quit my job and lived off the state."

You must live in a really sheltered part of the country if you honestly believe that the worst job you could take to survive is working at McDonald's.

LOL No need to be snarky lol.

My point is that most of the people that end up on welfare do so because they don't WANT to work the "demeaning" jobs like Mcdonalds or work in fields picking strawberries. There are plenty of jobs for those who are willing to work them..... it's just that too many people seem to think those jobs are "beneath" them. Those prostitutes and drug dealers COULD work at McDonalds... they just choose not to because they make a killing selling themselves. Or Walmart. I don't believe that McDonalds is a bad place to take a job..... my uncle worked for McDonalds for over 30 years.... climbed the corporate ladder and got paid a darn pretty penny for working there. If I couldn't find a job I would have no problem working at Mcdonalds or Burger King... been there done that and it isn't a terrible job.... you just have to deal with a lot of nasty people but that is true for any customer service job. But in places like Newfoundland they don't have all those McDonalds and stuff on every corner so their livelyhood often rely's on the seal hunt.... and as I said I would do it too if it meant feeding my family.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

LOL No need to be snarky lol.

My point is that most of the people that end up on welfare do so because they don't WANT to work the "demeaning" jobs like Mcdonalds or work in fields picking strawberries. There are plenty of jobs for those who are willing to work them..... it's just that too many people seem to think those jobs are "beneath" them. Those prostitutes and drug dealers COULD work at McDonalds... they just choose not to because they make a killing selling themselves. Or Walmart. I don't believe that McDonalds is a bad place to take a job..... my uncle worked for McDonalds for over 30 years.... climbed the corporate ladder and got paid a darn pretty penny for working there. If I couldn't find a job I would have no problem working at Mcdonalds or Burger King... been there done that and it isn't a terrible job.... you just have to deal with a lot of nasty people but that is true for any customer service job. But in places like Newfoundland they don't have all those McDonalds and stuff on every corner so their livelyhood often rely's on the seal hunt.... and as I said I would do it too if it meant feeding my family.

I understand where you are coming from- but I disagree that people on welfare are just using the system. No doubt there are a few that would rather receive free pennies from the government over work....but I think the vast majority of the people on welfare are legitimately destitute, and they need help so they can feed their children. I believe you have to have children to get the assistance.

Now, the part that we disagree on is that you think it is more morally reprehensible to receive government aid than to kill animals for a living. Perhaps it is just me, but I would go on welfare any day before I would ever choose to make a living killing other living things. But....I doubt the choice would ever be that one-sided. There are other choices people can make.

[Puckstop31]

But....I doubt the choice would ever be that one-sided. There are other choices people can make.

Where you live, sure... Other places in the world, not always. We have our standard of living to allow us to worry about such trite things as this thread discusses.

Just pray that our way of life as we know it never changes. A Human is never more than 9 or so meals away from committing acts of barbarism.

[RICHARD]

Not a huge fan of seal clubbing or any kind of clubbing in general.

I hate the two drink minimum rules.


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I like these threads because they really show the passion of the posters.

A few little observations..

Does anyone have any pics of Beatles or Bardot on the ice trying to stop the hunt?

Here in Cah lee fuh nee ah the "stars" come out for the Surfrider Foundation to do the beach clean-ups. While they just have to drive up the street or walk out their back door to participate.

Then you have the others who build and adopt...Ah, I'll give them some credit...Not a huge fan of the camera crews, press releases and one hour TV specials, tho. That's a little more self-serving than I can stomach.

A few bucks and a PSA should just about cover it.

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Everyone (except Jessica Simpson- she wants chicken free tuna) wants dolphin free tuna, free range animals and man-made leather.

We can't have everything.
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As brutal as seal culling is, we always side with the animals-and rightly so.
Check out the lists of animals that are disappearing from the planet.

Why?

Because we are not responsible for caring for them in the first place.

We do not take into consideration that there are times that hunts and culling
are ways to promote that species longevity.

Illnesses, overpopulatiion and construction are to blame for a lot of the disappearing creatures- so are haphazard hunting practices.

Things could be worse.

What happens to the seals if we do not put limits on hunts?

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The last thing we don't take into consideration is the people who actually do the hunting. I really don't see anyone doing it out of sheer meanness. I venture to guess that it's the same reason that drives most of us to earn money.

It's probably not a 'lifestyle' of 'sport'. IT's a way to get a few bucks to feed a family. Because we have more options for employment in the areas we live in, most of us will never have to go club baby mammals to earn a buck.

I dare say most of us would rather work in a nice AC office, Hot coffee in the break room and a nice tofu burger and hummus - delivered to our desk.....

Trudging around in a parka, boots in freezing cold weather, beating the crap outta seals ain't my cup of tea.

What about killing animals for their horns, gall bladders and penises- I've seen the umbrella holders made out of elephant feet and the monkeypaw ashtrays.

Those are the AHs that should be clubbed.


Again, I don't really care for clubbing baby seals. But I do see why there is an industry behind it.

I feel a little better knowing that these hunts are controlled and observed by the gov't.

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One more thing to ponder.

The culling of seals on the ecosystem.
Seals eat fish, A lot of seals eat a lot of fish. Less fish = less seals.

Two or more species gone.

Think global, act loco!