I can't say I'm Sorry

[wombat2u2004]

But just think..... some of those people that hunt are probably buying less store bought meat from animals that come from slaughterhouses etc... etc. I have heard people say that if you are going to eat meat you should eat free range because they are treated more humanely.... well... what is more free range than that

SOME of those people ????? So what you are saying is that the others are just doing it for fun....???? Right ????
And exactly HOW could someone hunting something in the wild be more humane than those who kill abbatoir slaughtered animals ???? They have laws in place exactly how animals are killed in slaughterhouses, and I know for a fact that it is VERY humane. As for hunting....humane ??? Nope, not buying into that one.....I've seen the results of too many hunts in my life, a wounded animal is sometimes tracked for hours and hours, trying to escape with half of it's gut hanging out, and even sometimes the hunters lose the animal, or simply just couldn't be bothered to put in the time necessary to finish the hunt. Some of these animals take weeks to die......I have seen it....many times. If you think for one moment that hunters are humane, then you should have another think coming. How many hunters do you know who are such fantastic shots that we have a "one shot, instantaneous kill" situation. NOT very many.

As for jobs required by the people of Newfoundland, which is their reason to continue these hunts.....well if my memory serves me right....just how humane were the coal pits of Cape Breton ???? Where children no more than 12 years old worked their lives away in the coal mines ???? Only to die of exhaustion or coughing their blood filled lungs up, to eke out a living, so that they could actually have something to eat ??? What for ??? So that someone could get rich !!!! Someone who didn't give a damn about those kids lives. Tragic ???? You betcha !!!! So why did they stop that ???? If responsible people hadn't stepped in at the time....I'll bet my butt that that practice would still be considered by those who care nothing about making money ANY way they can. And so it is the same now with the seal pups.....the dollars are involved, it's as simple as that.

Anyway....who are we to play God ???? To say who or what dies, or who and what lives ???
Wom

[Marigold2]

I don't think I have ever seen a homeless person hunt. Is that a big problem in the city, seeing homeless people with rifles shooting stray dogs, cats, rats, birds for food? They are usually in the city panhandling or going to a food bank. I grew up in the country and I have never met anyone who had to hunt for food. They wanted to but didn't need to meat to live. Plant a veggie garden, can some veggies for God's sake.
These seal hunters don't give a damn how those seals die. They are beating them to death while these animals are screaming and crying in pain. They don't care if that baby dies the first blow or the 5 or 10th. They are there for the money. It doesn't matter how the seal dies, just that they make their quoto. There are plenty of other ways to make a living them beating a baby to death. And if they are too stupid to figure that out do us a favor and don't have kids.
I have no respect for hunters or murderes as I call them. Nor would I help one who is starving or bleeding to death. I have no problem walking away from a dying hunter. Do I put an animals life in front of a person? Yes I would. If there was a rapist or drug dealer, child molester in a burning building and a pet hamster and I only had time to get one out, hey I'm picking the hamster. That sweet innocent creature never harmed anyone, the person did. A worthless, evil, mean person's life is not worth anything.
Does the mother dog or mommy cat love her babies any less, often they love their babies more then humans. They don't stab, burn, murder, abuse, abandon, molest their kids. We as humans do hundreds of times a day.
Oh and ants and fleas are insects not animals. They don't have the same nerve receptors so I have no problem sleeping if I step on an ant. Dead ant, dead ant, dead ant, deat ant dead ant.....lalalalalla

[Puckstop31]

I don't think I have ever seen a homeless person hunt. Is that a big problem in the city, seeing homeless people with rifles shooting stray dogs, cats, rats, birds for food? They are usually in the city panhandling or going to a food bank. I grew up in the country and I have never met anyone who had to hunt for food. They wanted to but didn't need to meat to live. Plant a veggie garden, can some veggies for God's sake.
These seal hunters don't give a damn how those seals die. They are beating them to death while these animals are screaming and crying in pain. They don't care if that baby dies the first blow or the 5 or 10th. They are there for the money. It doesn't matter how the seal dies, just that they make their quoto. There are plenty of other ways to make a living them beating a baby to death. And if they are too stupid to figure that out do us a favor and don't have kids.
I have no respect for hunters or murderes as I call them. Nor would I help one who is starving or bleeding to death. I have no problem walking away from a dying hunter. Do I put an animals life in front of a person? Yes I would. If there was a rapist or drug dealer, child molester in a burning building and a pet hamster and I only had time to get one out, hey I'm picking the hamster. That sweet innocent creature never harmed anyone, the person did. A worthless, evil, mean person's life is not worth anything.
Does the mother dog or mommy cat love her babies any less, often they love their babies more then humans. They don't stab, burn, murder, abuse, abandon, molest their kids. We as humans do hundreds of times a day.
Oh and ants and fleas are insects not animals. They don't have the same nerve receptors so I have no problem sleeping if I step on an ant. Dead ant, dead ant, dead ant, deat ant dead ant.....lalalalalla

I love it... I love the statement "ants and fleas are insects, not animals". Where in your brain does THAT justification come up? To make you feel better I suppose?

What if the choice was between a Human child and that hamster?

Seek help m'am. I'd hate for you to end up in jail if you really did make a choice like that someday.

[Marigold2]

I love it... I love the statement "ants and fleas are insects, not animals". Where in your brain does THAT justification come up? To make you feel better I suppose?

What if the choice was between a Human child and that hamster?

Seek help m'am. I'd hate for you to end up in jail if you really did make a choice like that someday.

Geez Puck you are so kind. I love how you quote the bible in one post while still managing to insult me in another while you hold a gun in one hand look an innocent creature in the eye and blow it's brains out. Read what I wrote again Puck I didn't say anything about innocent babies I spoke about child molesters, murderes and rapists. Just so we are clear, if it was between say you and the hamster, getting a little hot there Puck?

[Puckstop31]

Geez Puck you are so kind. I love how you quote the bible in one post while still managing to insult me in another while you hold a gun in one hand look an innocent creature in the eye and blow it's brains out. Read what I wrote again Puck I didn't say anything about innocent babies I spoke about child molesters, murderes and rapists. Just so we are clear, if it was between say you and the hamster, getting a little hot there Puck?

I was not trying to insult you, I am worried about you, really. The idea that any animal life holds sway over any human life is scary.

As for the Bible and "gun" comment... God has given us responsibility to manage His gift. I doubt there is anything else I can say that would make you understand how I feel. Perhaps look at it this way? Humans are animals, right? We are also at the top of the food chain. So look at it as if we are the top predator. Do you hold the same disdain for say, Eagles? They kill "innocent" prey all the time.

Just so we are clear, if it was between say you and the hamster, getting a little hot there Puck?

So, just so I am clear... If I was unconscious in a burning building, next to a hamster in its cage and you could only save one of us, you would save the hamster?

Finally... M'am, there is nothing you could say or do that would get me "hot", in any way. I feel sorry for you, not angry at you.

[sparks19]

I was not trying to insult you, I am worried about you, really. The idea that any animal life holds sway over any human life is scary.

As for the Bible and "gun" comment... God has given us responsibility to manage His gift. I doubt there is anything else I can say that would make you understand how I feel. Perhaps look at it this way? Humans are animals, right? We are also at the top of the food chain. So look at it as if we are the top predator. Do you hold the same disdain for say, Eagles? They kill "innocent" prey all the time.



So, just so I am clear... If I was unconscious in a burning building, next to a hamster in its cage and you could only save one of us, you would save the hamster?

Finally... M'am, there is nothing you could say or do that would get me "hot", in any way. I feel sorry for you, not angry at you.

Get you hot that is my job

Wombat..... I am sure there are many of the extremes in the seal hunt....but I'm also sure that for the most part it is JUST A JOB. they are hired and paid to provide a service.... they are doing so. It may not be the best job out there and you may not like it but it sure puts food on the table.

Newfoundland is like a culture of it's own. They are unlike any group of people I have ever met..... for the most part they would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it. They live a simple life in a simple province.... some of the friendliest (albeit I could be wrong since I can't ever understand a word Charlie says but it sounds nice lol) most helpful people I have known have been from newfoundland. The Seal hunt is like part of their culture. So to them this is just a way of life and a way to put food on the table.... not some joy ride to just go out and club things and then have a big celebration in honor of their deaths.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

I don't think I have ever seen a homeless person hunt.

I don't think you are allowed to hunt them....

[sparks19]

I don't think you are allowed to hunt them....

Hunt what? Homeless people? lol you are funny

and just for the record..... I also don't eat Venison.... therefore I don't hunt. But I know many people that do eat venison and many people that hunt. I might try wild Turkey..... but I'm wierd about meat ... hard to explain lol but I leave half of it behind.... any piece that isn't JUST meat (like if it has fat or gristle in it) does not get eaten by me. I'm afraid to try new kinds of meat lol

[DrKym]

I don't think you are allowed to hunt them....

I think it falls under Tourist season.................

[Sophist]

Wow, glad to see a few more people who are willing to look at the other side showed up while I was away. I was starting to get lonely .


And ladies (it's mostly ladies, anyway) I feel we've actually done a fairly good job at keeping this mostly civil over the course of things. Let's all try hard not to trip at the finish line.


Also, a big thanks to the poster who posted some of the government contact info on the link... one of the things I cam back here to do. When I have a bit, I'll have to check out the link and see if there are any addresses I know to ad or anything.


And, lastly, I am still very interested in hearing what any of the folks vehemently opposed to the hunt have done to express their views to those actually involved in it. Not just calling you out (well, maybe a little, but not JUST that ), I am actually interested in knowing the ways you have all come up to counter-act this.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

Wow, glad to see a few more people who are willing to look at the other side showed up while I was away. I was starting to get lonely .

Yes, your primary supporter said it was ok because god said so. Sorry, but the bible doesn't count as empirical evidence.

I appreciate your attempts to use logic and research to back your claims...even if I find your ultimate conclusion wrong. I too get annoyed with anecdotal evidence and the feeling that, whoever is willing to argue the longest and the loudest will "win" the debate.

I will admit I'm no expert on seals, or marine life in general. I do however feel that a more eco-friendly (and seal friendly) solution is surely out there for dealing with this "overpopulation." I will attempt to do a little research myself and see if I can't find some good data on this, and I'll check out the links you provided.

[wombat2u2004]

I will admit I'm no expert on seals, or marine life in general. I do however feel that a more eco-friendly (and seal friendly) solution is surely out there for dealing with this "overpopulation." I will attempt to do a little research myself and see if I can't find some good data on this, and I'll check out the links you provided.

You don't have to be an expert to see what is happening PC.
Nor do you have to have the imput of so called experts to form an opinion.
Hey....there is right, and there is wrong....your opinion alone is based on what you perceive to be right or wrong.
I for one am not listening to ANY so called experts for or against...I'll no more believe them than what the media hands out to us selectively on a daily basis. Experts persuasion on these matters is also linked to the dollar.
Wom

[Sophist]

Hey....there is right, and there is wrong....your opinion alone is based on what you perceive to be right or wrong.

Although, if you use reasoning like that, then there is no way you COULD reasonably argue against using religious tenets as arguments. After all, that IS what decides 'right' and 'wrong' for most people.


Can't have your cake and eat it, too.

[Sophist]

Yes, your primary supporter said it was ok because god said so. Sorry, but the bible doesn't count as empirical evidence.

I appreciate your attempts to use logic and research to back your claims...even if I find your ultimate conclusion wrong. I too get annoyed with anecdotal evidence and the feeling that, whoever is willing to argue the longest and the loudest will "win" the debate.

I will admit I'm no expert on seals, or marine life in general. I do however feel that a more eco-friendly (and seal friendly) solution is surely out there for dealing with this "overpopulation." I will attempt to do a little research myself and see if I can't find some good data on this, and I'll check out the links you provided.

Another thing I have been asking for.

I never weighed in on their arguments, I only said I was glad to see more people trying to see more than one side of the argument, so no need to chastise me about biblical citations.

[king2005]

I don't think I have ever seen a homeless person hunt.

Saw it all the time back in Ottawa. College students will toss quarters onto the main roads (4-6 lanes) during rush hour & watch the homless people run into traffic, hoping to get one pegged off by a car...

There are so many homless people killed every year for sport.

Its nothing new.. happens all the time... not saying its right, just saying it happens.