I can't say I'm Sorry

[buttercup132]

Wow this thread has become a big argument. Yes I said SEALS only but what about the deer? What about the bunnies? What about all the other animals who stay together family like. Yes some animals abandon their babies but duh so do people. You are crazy lady...

[Argranade]

This is so sad,

Global Warming is causing seals to drown so they should STOP this killing!

I don't wish for anyone to die but it's hard not to hate these people.

I would honestly LOVE to club them all in the head!

I don't mind those inuit's who hunt the seals for there supply of food as they have done this for YEARS!

[angelbow20]

Wow this thread has become a big argument. Yes I said SEALS only but what about the deer? What about the bunnies? What about all the other animals who stay together family like. Yes some animals abandon their babies but duh so do people. You are crazy lady...

Are you calling sophist Crazy? thats now right if you are!!!

[Catty1]

The vegetarians wearing leather shoes comment I got from a strip called Clear Blue Water. It is in the last several days.

The idea being, not ALL do, by any means. But that it is not a perfect world and there are paradoxes in life.

I also think that vegetarians are the only people who really can rightfully condemn this hunt, in that the rest of us eat animal products that have been 'processed' in a slaughterhouse, where we don't see what happens.

Can you imagine if there were as many slaughterhouse tv spots as there are for the seals? Interesting thought...

[Cataholic]

I do not eat meat for several reasons- the primary one concering the way the animals are 'slaughtered'. I do not find it humane. I have seen the videos and read the literature. I have had people remark to me, "do you think you are making any difference"? In my mind, I am.

I have also heard, but, cannot state for certain, that the leather used (excluding the exotics) in shoes/handbags, clothing (pants, skirts) is a by-product, and the animal has been killed for meat, not for the article of clothing.

Does it make a difference? It does to me, but, for the record, I am a pretty big wearer of 'pleather' shoes...just too hard on them to pay anything more than I have to.

I do not buy leather articles, nor shun them necessarily. However, as I have become more enlightened on the subject, I do find my purchases tend to be more 'humane' than not. Am I up for some award? Don't think so, but, I do strongly disagree with the argument that seal hunting, or any other species hunted by humans, is some humanitarian effort on behalf of the hunter, and that this is all just a big ol' cheap way to feed the family argument.

Ain't nothin' sporty about killing. As I have said other times, when someone tells me they 'hunt', I have an immediate mind change about that person. Is that right? Is that judgmental? Absolutely. Is it my 'right'? Absolutely. Hey, if that person has a right to kill an animal with a gun, I get the right to dislike the act and the actor.

[lizbud]

Your last post is much to long to quote entirely, but would like to
respond to this paragraph,

"Although if you'd really like to continue here, I would be more than happy to do so. When I am sincerely interested in an issue, I never tire of it. I would love any facts, figures, or expert opinions you can provide me that refute my arguments. Any new or convincing argument that I have to work into my view will only make my next letter to Canada, my local newspaper or underground 'zine that much more thought out and complete, so please share anything you have. "

I really would like to see & read any links or references you have used to
base your opinions on, so please enlighten me.Post any links to info you
have. Thanks.

[Sophist]

Your last post is much to long to quote entirely, but would like to
respond to this paragraph,

"Although if you'd really like to continue here, I would be more than happy to do so. When I am sincerely interested in an issue, I never tire of it. I would love any facts, figures, or expert opinions you can provide me that refute my arguments. Any new or convincing argument that I have to work into my view will only make my next letter to Canada, my local newspaper or underground 'zine that much more thought out and complete, so please share anything you have. "

I really would like to see & read any links or references you have used to
base your opinions on, so please enlighten me.Post any links to info you
have. Thanks.

My opinions have been formed over numerous years. If you'd like to pick anything you actually question or would like to know more about, I would be glad to foffer some more support for it. However, I would also encourage you to look at the numerous links I have already shared.

[lizbud]

My opinions have been formed over numerous years. If you'd like to pick anything you actually question or would like to know more about, I would be glad to foffer some more support for it. However, I would also encourage you to look at the numerous links I have already shared.

I'm sorry you couldn't be more helpful now, but I will search back through
all the posts & try to get an idea of what facts interested you.

I'll get back to you next week sometime, after i've found the links.

[Puckstop31]

Ain't nothin' sporty about killing.

You obviously have never been Wild Turkey hunting...

But....

As I have said other times, when someone tells me they 'hunt', I have an immediate mind change about that person. Is that right? Is that judgmental? Absolutely. Is it my 'right'? Absolutely. Hey, if that person has a right to kill an animal with a gun, I get the right to dislike the act and the actor.

I applaude you for being one of the few people I know who have a anti-hunting view that are willing to say this.

[Argranade]

You obviously have never been Wild Turkey hunting...

I don't belive hunting any living thing should be sporty or fun,

That's like saying '' You obviously have never been dog hunting''

Turkeys & Dogs can both feel pain in the same way, there should be no difference.

Just to make things clear I'm not saying your going to shoot dogs I'm just giving an exsample.

I'm only up for hunting if you need to use the animals for food, I mean the HOLE animal .. don't just chop off it's head, skin the fur and leave the rest of the carcass. Sometimes in casses animals do over populate but that's nature and I would rather leave it be but of course that's not going to happen with humans around.

[sparks19]

I don't belive hunting any living thing should be sporty or fun,

That's like saying '' You obviously have never been dog hunting''

Turkeys & Dogs can both feel pain in the same way, there should be no difference.

Just to make things clear I'm not saying your going to shoot dogs I'm just giving an exsample.

I'm only up for hunting if you need to use the animals for food, I mean the HOLE animal .. don't just chop off it's head, skin the fur and leave the rest of the carcass. Sometimes in casses animals do over populate but that's nature and I would rather leave it be but of course that's not going to happen with humans around.

he meant that it was not just as easy as firing your weapon blindly into the forest as some people believe hunting is. Turkey hunting actually requires hours of work.

But just think..... some of those people that hunt are probably buying less store bought meat from animals that come from slaughterhouses etc... etc. I have heard people say that if you are going to eat meat you should eat free range because they are treated more humanely.... well... what is more free range than that

[Puckstop31]

I don't belive hunting any living thing should be sporty or fun,

That's like saying '' You obviously have never been dog hunting''

No it's not... Hunting dogs would be FAR less challenging. A Turkey hunt is truely a challenge. I have probably been out 12-13 times in my life and have had 4 successes.

Your comparison does not work here...

Turkeys & Dogs can both feel pain in the same way, there should be no difference.

I know that. But when a turkey hunt is successful, I promise your the turkey feels no pain. Why? Because you have to call them in very close and at that very short range it is a instant kill.

If pain of the animal is your problem, turkey hunting should not be a problem for you.

I'm only up for hunting if you need to use the animals for food, I mean the HOLE animal .. don't just chop off it's head, skin the fur and leave the rest of the carcass. Sometimes in casses animals do over populate but that's nature and I would rather leave it be but of course that's not going to happen with humans around.

I never have and never will keep a animal I kill to turn into a trophey. I only hunt what I intend to eat or donate.

And you know what? I bet I love and respect nature more than most. Why? I am very responsible about my hunting, report morons who are not and I understand the gift that nature is. I am more at home in the woods that I ever will be in the concrete jungle.

[sparks19]

Wow this thread has become a big argument. Yes I said SEALS only but what about the deer? What about the bunnies? What about all the other animals who stay together family like. Yes some animals abandon their babies but duh so do people. You are crazy lady...

Well I sincerely hope you have never swatted a fly or stepped on an ant in your lifetime. if you are going to start calling someone with a differing opinion from yours "crazy" you better be squeaky clean in your quest for no killing. Nothing she said was crazy.... you just don't like her opinion. doesn't make her crazy.

But..... to wish near death for the people that are just doing their jobs makes you no better than the hunters in which you are condemning. Sure no one said "death" straight out..... but when you are happy they are stuck out in the ice and likely will run out of food if they don't freeze to death first..... to me that is saying you are happy that they might die. These people are just trying to make a living. Does it make what they are doing right? NO.... but rest assured if it came down to feeding my family or starving my children to death because I can no longer afford food.... you bet your arse I will be out there doing what I can to make ends meet. It is easy to sit back and say how wrong it is to do it to make ends meet when we are in a place that has plenty of work available.... to us..... a crappy job is McDonalds.

[angelbow20]

Well I sincerely hope you have never swatted a fly or stepped on an ant in your lifetime. if you are going to start calling someone with a differing opinion from yours "crazy" you better be squeaky clean in your quest for no killing. Nothing she said was crazy.... you just don't like her opinion. doesn't make her crazy.

But..... to wish near death for the people that are just doing their jobs makes you no better than the hunters in which you are condemning. Sure no one said "death" straight out..... but when you are happy they are stuck out in the ice and likely will run out of food if they don't freeze to death first..... to me that is saying you are happy that they might die. These people are just trying to make a living. Does it make what they are doing right? NO.... but rest assured if it came down to feeding my family or starving my children to death because I can no longer afford food.... you bet your arse I will be out there doing what I can to make ends meet. It is easy to sit back and say how wrong it is to do it to make ends meet when we are in a place that has plenty of work available.... to us..... a crappy job is McDonalds.

I agree with you 100 percent!

[lizbud]

Wow this thread has become a big argument. Yes I said SEALS only but what about the deer? What about the bunnies? What about all the other animals who stay together family like. Yes some animals abandon their babies but duh so do people. You are crazy lady...

This thread is soooo NOT an argument. Your calling people names just might turn it into one. Please don't do that.

This is, I hope, not a debate, not an argument, but an adult discussion of
seals & the seal cull. Thanks.