Grieving couple commits suicide after dog dies

[DrKym]

Actualy my dad had to leave work from suffering from depresion, he would lay in bed all the time and would not even want to go outdoors, the doctor gave him pills which made things WORSE ... later on he wen't to a better doctor and you know what he told me dad? he told him to get a hobby and start running outside, taking walks ect .. to get his mind off himself and it WORKED!

My dads sister just died a month ago, he took her death VERY well!

I know alot about being depressed ALOT, I have been threw it many times when I was growing up but now that I started art, photography my life is a hole lot better because I took my mind off thinking about my life ect .... my family had and still does have MANY fights but I'm learning to take it, my birds always make me feel better and music. There my hobby.


I have helped MORE birds than I can count, so what I buy and sell birds at least I don't abuse them .. I always make sure they go to good homes, you should see all the e-mails I get from happy familys that now have life time pets!

So lay off!

Well what a treat dear, what I would like to see is you not disposing of them on the next unsuspecting family, doing research and not posting of so many deaths.

Purchasing at yard auctions only encourages more people to fill the demand so how are you helping?

By the way how is the Ringneck? or Army? or are those we aren't allowed to discuss again?

Abuse is in the eye of those that think they don't, I have never ever met an abusive parent or animal owner that feels they are doing anything wrong.

[lizbud]

Think this thread is taking a bad turn. This thread was talking about suicide
and depression.
Everyone may have different views on what constitutes depression severe
enough to provoke a sucide response. It might be morally wrong to some
but it is a sad reality in our culture.

[Argranade]

Well what a treat dear, what I would like to see is you not disposing of them on the next unsuspecting family, doing research and not posting of so many deaths.

Purchasing at yard auctions only encourages more people to fill the demand so how are you helping?

By the way how is the Ringneck? or Army? or are those we aren't allowed to discuss again?

Abuse is in the eye of those that think they don't, I have never ever met an abusive parent or animal owner that feels they are doing anything wrong.

The auctions I go to are very nice, people from all over Ontario go there.

There are reasons for postings of deaths, many of the birds I get in like pigeons and doves are already sick so I try to do my best and make them better again for releasing, I got some pigeons from this guy hoping they where healthy and it turned out they where almost ALL sick and I ended up having almost all of them die which was very hard.

Army was given to my friend for a birthday present, I know I said I was going to keep him but she was realy wanting a small parrot for her birthday and her parents agreed it was ok. The ringneck I got was actualy about 11 years old and I wanted to start young so I sold him to a friend breeder for only $50.

It's better to give than recieve & if you remember I buy and sell birds but I'm going to be stopping this after I sell my last batch of baby doves, lovebirds & there's still 1 inured pigeon looking for a home. Later when we move I'm going to take up falconry and hunting with them.

[DrKym]

Miss Argranade,, it is people like you that make sure my rescue cages are never empty, my wallet never full. It is people like myself and many others that deal with the fallout of your "help" the birds that pluck and scream and are mentally impaired from understanding how they went from beloved pet of the week , to breeder. To raise even more unwanted animals with not enough homes. I have heard your song before from older and wiser, it still holds no water.

Try actually researching the problem you are helping. Giving your ringneck away as a breeder only ensures that more people like you (who warned that type of parrot was unsuitable) will purchase them. They will then be bought by people like you who buy with a budget and NO care for the care the animal requires. Sad but true.

Sadder still is that with your allegations of being altruistic you cannot understand the depth that an animal of any species can fill. To the point in this case of their loss not making life worth living.

My advice is you should get a hobby, reading is a good one. READ about your "beloved" birds. Learn and accept that your actions are not HELP they are harming them.

As for falconry, please do them a favor and give that idea up.

[cyber-sibes]

OK, my two cents now...and I don't intend this to offend, put down, or "correct" anyone else.
These are just some things I've realized through my own dealings with depression.

Everyone gets depressed over one thing or another. But not everyone has a depressive disorder. A person stuck in a chronic depression, depressive episode, or spiraling deeper into depression is not going to go get help on their own.

because...
You don't even realize that you are depressed - the entire world becomes bleak, unchanging, morbid, and everything becomes overwhelming to deal with....including relationships to people around you & things you used to care about. (been there, done that). each time you lose something you loved, it just gets worse. It really takes the effort of people who care about you, to help you get help.

There are many forms of depression. Some are situational, and after a while they lessen, so maybe hobbies & such to help one refocus will be enough to bring someone out of that kind of depression.

Then there is depression caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. No hobby is ever going to resolve this problem. There are many medications that help your body regain balance. Sometimes it takes a while for doctors to figure out what will work best for that person. It's important not to give up.

My family has a long history of depression, and I personally feel blessed to live in an age when depression is better understood. We've had family institutionalized for decades, suicides & attempted suicides, and a whole parcel of what used to be termed "crazy" behaviors over the generations.


It really bothers me when PTers get rude, insulting, abrasive & start posting back & forth biting commentary. This thread is about two people who loved their pet just as much as we love ours. We'll never know what else they were dealing with that would push them into such a sad ending.

RIP, Puppy, and Mr. & Mrs. I pray your families may find a way to come to peace with your decision.

[lizbud]

It really bothers me when PTers get rude, insulting, abrasive & start posting back & forth biting commentary. This thread is about two people who loved their pet just as much as we love ours. We'll never know what else they were dealing with that would push them into such a sad ending.

RIP, Puppy, and Mr. & Mrs. I pray your families may find a way to come to peace with your decision.

I agree. Dr Goodnow, In what field was your doctorate earned and
when? Thanks.

[DrKym]

My first PhD. was in 94 and it is as a Social Scientist. I hold several lesser degrees in social work and theology.

Since I am a sucker for punishment, I intend to pursue some post doctorate classes this fall.

[wombat2u2004]

My first PhD. was in 94 and it is as a Social Scientist. I hold several lesser degrees in social work and theology.

Since I am a sucker for punishment, I intend to pursue some post doctorate classes this fall.

I was going to do a PhD in bricklaying once, but the Uni never had such a course....so I figured I must have been too intelligent for them to handle.
Wom

[Argranade]

Miss Argranade,, it is people like you that make sure my rescue cages are never empty, my wallet never full. It is people like myself and many others that deal with the fallout of your "help" the birds that pluck and scream and are mentally impaired from understanding how they went from beloved pet of the week , to breeder. To raise even more unwanted animals with not enough homes. I have heard your song before from older and wiser, it still holds no water.

Try actually researching the problem you are helping. Giving your ringneck away as a breeder only ensures that more people like you (who warned that type of parrot was unsuitable) will purchase them. They will then be bought by people like you who buy with a budget and NO care for the care the animal requires. Sad but true.

Sadder still is that with your allegations of being altruistic you cannot understand the depth that an animal of any species can fill. To the point in this case of their loss not making life worth living.

My advice is you should get a hobby, reading is a good one. READ about your "beloved" birds. Learn and accept that your actions are not HELP they are harming them.

As for falconry, please do them a favor and give that idea up.

I already knew about ringnecks before I got another, there was no problem beside the birds age, I was lied too and was told he was 3 years old but it was wrong and I don't want an old bird which will probably die in about 10 years from the condition he was in the first place, there's nothing wrong with breeding ringecks as long as it's done properly and the breeders are thought as pets FIRST.

I do care alot about my birds and you can't say I don't.

As for this thread if you don't like my comments then block me for all I care.

As for falconry, I have already been offered a free training course, I could buy my falcon right now if I wanted but I'm waiting till we move and I get many, many lessons done. I also know a hawk is not a ''pet'', I would use it for hutning when I get my licence, not just for that but falconry has been somthing I wanted to do all my life and some comment of yours is not going to stop me.

[DrKym]

I suggest we take this to Pm or start a new thread as you seem to think still that your actions are appropriate.

[Alysser]

Everything has to die sooner or later, that's stupid taking your life for a dog.
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Did you know the couple at all? Did you know of their lives? I doubt it. They may not have had any family left, they might have been depressed and ill but this dog obviously was everything to them.

You can't tell how much people have a bond with there pets, I know when Sassy leaves me, I will be depressed, very depressed. Some people can't just get a hobby and get over depression. It's a very serious illness and can take time to heal.

There are people in this world who have NOTHING but their pets to hold onto and bring joy to them, and if you aren't one of them then I suggest you don't talk and state such a rude opinion. Maybe it's just a dog to you, but to some, thier pets are their whole world.

[Argranade]

Did you know the couple at all? Did you know of their lives? I doubt it. They may not have had any family left, they might have been depressed and ill but this dog obviously was everything to them.

You can't tell how much people have a bond with there pets, I know when Sassy leaves me, I will be depressed, very depressed. Some people can't just get a hobby and get over depression. It's a very serious illness and can take time to heal.

There are people in this world who have NOTHING but their pets to hold onto and bring joy to them, and if you aren't one of them then I suggest you don't talk and state such a rude opinion. Maybe it's just a dog to you, but to some, thier pets are their whole world.

No I did not know them and never said I did, depression can be as long as you make it. It's those people who take the longest that need seriouse help before it's too late. Yes it does take him to heal but if killing your self comes into mind don't get another pet EVER!

Yes I do infact love my birds almost more than anything in the wolrd, there what make me feel happy every single day, I would be a looder in a box if it was not for birds and other animals. I just happen to love my life so much I think it's foolish to take your life for an animal even if your world was around them, everything has to pass one day and I think it's a wounderful thing.

Argranade, if you care about birds so much, then why don't you just keep an amount you can handle and not go off rescuing every bird in need. You can't save all of them, and you shouldn't try.

Why don't you just stop while your at it? or is that too hard for you ....

Do you honestly think if I see a little injured sparrow on the road I won't go and help it?

This is a bunch of bollocks.

Don't falcons hunt other small birds? That's odd. Why would you want to use one bird to kill another? You are so proud of your "bird saving" skills, yet you want to hunt and kill them? You got SO mad at everyone when we didn't freak out and want to kill the pelican to save the pigeon it tried to eat, yet you would let loose a falcon or hawk to go kill another bird or pigeon....that's quite a contradiction.

Since I'm into dogs rather than birds, that would be like me taking my dog out to look for smaller dogs to kill.....that's kinda sick.

Yes I was pissed off about it then but now I honestly don't care,

Yes I like saving birds but I don't mind falconry, I want to handle it and I will.

It's not sick it's nature, learning about falconry will be very hard but I'm up to the chalenge even if it means seeing birds/rabbits being killed, I have watched a few hawk hunting videos and now watching them over and over again it does not bother me. Falconry is a beautiful hobby, it's also a safe way to keep the pest population down instead of using poison which is the worst thing possible. It seems very weird I geuss because I love birds but you don't have to hunt pigeons with a Harris Hawk if you don't want to, hunting can be done from once to every day of the week but the HH has to be weighed before taking flight or it will fly off. I know it's not a pet also, these birds are never to be hugged or kissed.

Most BOP owners choose not to go after pigeons because hawks can actualy get sick from eating them, NOT saying there a dirty bird as pets .. it's hard to explain.

Now if you don't like my comments just don't read them, everyone has there own opinion on life so take or or leave it.

[buttercup132]

I suggest we take this to Pm or start a new thread as you seem to think still that your actions are appropriate.

I think a thread should be made as I have a couple things to say.

[Vela]

As for falconry, I have already been offered a free training course, I could buy my falcon right now if I wanted but I'm waiting till we move and I get many, many lessons done. I also know a hawk is not a ''pet'', I would use it for hutning when I get my licence, not just for that but falconry has been somthing I wanted to do all my life and some comment of yours is not going to stop me.

Don't falcons hunt other small birds? That's odd. Why would you want to use one bird to kill another? You are so proud of your "bird saving" skills, yet you want to hunt and kill them? You got SO mad at everyone when we didn't freak out and want to kill the pelican to save the pigeon it tried to eat, yet you would let loose a falcon or hawk to go kill another bird or pigeon....that's quite a contradiction.

Since I'm into dogs rather than birds, that would be like me taking my dog out to look for smaller dogs to kill.....that's kinda sick.

[Alysser]

Miss Argranade,, it is people like you that make sure my rescue cages are never empty, my wallet never full. It is people like myself and many others that deal with the fallout of your "help" the birds that pluck and scream and are mentally impaired from understanding how they went from beloved pet of the week , to breeder. To raise even more unwanted animals with not enough homes. I have heard your song before from older and wiser, it still holds no water.

Try actually researching the problem you are helping. Giving your ringneck away as a breeder only ensures that more people like you (who warned that type of parrot was unsuitable) will purchase them. They will then be bought by people like you who buy with a budget and NO care for the care the animal requires. Sad but true.

Sadder still is that with your allegations of being altruistic you cannot understand the depth that an animal of any species can fill. To the point in this case of their loss not making life worth living.

My advice is you should get a hobby, reading is a good one. READ about your "beloved" birds. Learn and accept that your actions are not HELP they are harming them.

As for falconry, please do them a favor and give that idea up.

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Kym, I cannot tell you how much I agree with you. LOL, me and you seem to agree with each other alot.