Cesar Millan

[DrKym]

Mr.Goodnow, thank you and that is true.


What about this forcing a pit bull to work on a treadmill though???? Or something like that????

LOL it is Dr. and I am a Mrs. when not at work,no matter though, the pit bull issue was that if the dog was tired it was less likely to misbehave, in and of itself that is accurate. A tired pup is a happy pup, but without counseling on the breed and it's unique care and the committment required to own such an amazing and powerful animal what good did it actually do?

[BorderColliez]

Thank you everyone! You all have been tons of help!!

LOL it is Dr. and I am a Mrs. when not at work,no matter though, the pit bull issue was that if the dog was tired it was less likely to misbehave, in and of itself that is accurate. A tired pup is a happy pup, but without counseling on the breed and it's unique care and the committment required to own such an amazing and powerful animal what good did it actually do?

Oh, sorry

[DrKym]

Please don't be! My husband who is the Mr is also on this board. Just made the comment so you knw which Dr. you were talking with!
He goes by the otherdrgoodnow

[BorderColliez]

Please don't be! My husband who is the Mr is also on this board. Just made the comment so you knw which Dr. you were talking with!
He goes by the otherdrgoodnow

Ok thanks, I was soo embaressed...lol

[lute]

I honestly don't have a problem with Cesar Milan and his training. I think he does well at what he does. I don't look to him for guidence on traing although some people might.

[agilityk9trainer]

I think Dr,. Goodnow and Giselle have stated things very well. Cesar uses force training techniques. In other words, he adds punishment to his training. I, personally, use very little punishment in my training. My dogs work for me not out of fear, but out of a desire to please me and have fun. My training is a blast for my dogs. Just tonight, I was on the sofa watching TV, and I said something about "work." My sheltie about came out of his skin in excitement thinking we were going to go in the backyard to "work" (ie train). They live for it. They love it. Dogs trained with punishment do it to avoid punishment, not out of joy. My dogs do it for fun and love.

Cesar has pushed training back 20 years because we USED to use those methods (myself included). Those of us from those days see what Cesar is doing and know the results. Sure, they work. We used to use them. No, the end result isn't better because the dogs aren't working in joy. They're working in fear.

It is basically the old methods wrapped up and glitzed up for a new century. I'm very saddened he has gotten popular. It's made my job as a profesional trainer much more difficult!!

[wolfsoul]

I think some of his methods are good, some are debateable, and alot depend on the dog. I use both positive and negative reinforcement. I don't force dogs, I teach them. And when they are taught and choose not to listen, THEN I force them. In other words, my dogs learned in a positive manner, but know that if they don't listen they are going to be in trouble. Positive training is good because the dogs learn to enjoy their training. Negative reinforcement is good because you will get a dog that listens. Neither one is wrong. I want both adog that enjoys training and a dog that listens well, so I use both. Belgians vary from one end of the scale in temperament to another, and my dogs tend to be harder tempered and very high drive. I don't screw around with positive training if I know it's not going to work.

[DrKym]

I think Dr,. Goodnow and Giselle have stated things very well. Cesar uses force training techniques. In other words, he adds punishment to his training. I, personally, use very little punishment in my training. My dogs work for me not out of fear, but out of a desire to please me and have fun. My training is a blast for my dogs. Just tonight, I was on the sofa watching TV, and I said something about "work." My sheltie about came out of his skin in excitement thinking we were going to go in the backyard to "work" (ie train). They live for it. They love it. Dogs trained with punishment do it to avoid punishment, not out of joy. My dogs do it for fun and love.

Cesar has pushed training back 20 years because we USED to use those methods (myself included). Those of us from those days see what Cesar is doing and know the results. Sure, they work. We used to use them. No, the end result isn't better because the dogs aren't working in joy. They're working in fear.

It is basically the old methods wrapped up and glitzed up for a new century. I'm very saddened he has gotten popular. It's made my job as a profesional trainer much more difficult!!

for those of us that are old...i.e. me
it(the years of outdatedness) has been pushed back farther, my guys are here as a last resort before PTS happens. I have a 89% sucess rate , not bad considering all the variables. Cesar is a personable and PC correct act to follow. In the short term.
My dogs work because they love to do it, there is a difference. A dog that obeys and a dog that works are 2 very different beings. Mine will do both, I am saddened to see the ones that obey, since that is fear and will never allow them to reach their full potential. It isn't hard to break a spirit, what is difficult, is to help them find it again.

just my opinion.

[BC_MoM]

His work is amazing, but I don't agree with him on some things. He's on this whole dominance trip thing.