Cesar Millan

[BorderColliez]

Mr.Goodnow, thank you and that is true.


What about this forcing a pit bull to work on a treadmill though???? Or something like that????

[DrKym]

Mr.Goodnow, thank you and that is true.


What about this forcing a pit bull to work on a treadmill though???? Or something like that????

LOL it is Dr. and I am a Mrs. when not at work,no matter though, the pit bull issue was that if the dog was tired it was less likely to misbehave, in and of itself that is accurate. A tired pup is a happy pup, but without counseling on the breed and it's unique care and the committment required to own such an amazing and powerful animal what good did it actually do?

[BorderColliez]

Thank you everyone! You all have been tons of help!!

LOL it is Dr. and I am a Mrs. when not at work,no matter though, the pit bull issue was that if the dog was tired it was less likely to misbehave, in and of itself that is accurate. A tired pup is a happy pup, but without counseling on the breed and it's unique care and the committment required to own such an amazing and powerful animal what good did it actually do?

Oh, sorry

[DrKym]

Please don't be! My husband who is the Mr is also on this board. Just made the comment so you knw which Dr. you were talking with!
He goes by the otherdrgoodnow

[BorderColliez]

Please don't be! My husband who is the Mr is also on this board. Just made the comment so you knw which Dr. you were talking with!
He goes by the otherdrgoodnow

Ok thanks, I was soo embaressed...lol

[lute]

I honestly don't have a problem with Cesar Milan and his training. I think he does well at what he does. I don't look to him for guidence on traing although some people might.

[agilityk9trainer]

I think Dr,. Goodnow and Giselle have stated things very well. Cesar uses force training techniques. In other words, he adds punishment to his training. I, personally, use very little punishment in my training. My dogs work for me not out of fear, but out of a desire to please me and have fun. My training is a blast for my dogs. Just tonight, I was on the sofa watching TV, and I said something about "work." My sheltie about came out of his skin in excitement thinking we were going to go in the backyard to "work" (ie train). They live for it. They love it. Dogs trained with punishment do it to avoid punishment, not out of joy. My dogs do it for fun and love.

Cesar has pushed training back 20 years because we USED to use those methods (myself included). Those of us from those days see what Cesar is doing and know the results. Sure, they work. We used to use them. No, the end result isn't better because the dogs aren't working in joy. They're working in fear.

It is basically the old methods wrapped up and glitzed up for a new century. I'm very saddened he has gotten popular. It's made my job as a profesional trainer much more difficult!!

[BC_MoM]

His work is amazing, but I don't agree with him on some things. He's on this whole dominance trip thing.

[critter crazy]

On May 5, 2006, a television producer for the TV series 8 Simple Rules filed a lawsuit against Millan, claiming that his labrador retriever had been seriously injured while at Millan's training facility during an exercise routine on a treadmill.[21]. National Geographic released a statement that Millan was not present at the facility at the time of the alleged incident.

This is what I found on this site:
http://www.answers.com/topic/cesar-millan

[Giselle]

There are two main reasons that people don't like Cesar:

1- He uses flooding a method that most trainers abhor and believe is LOOOOONG outdated. Cesar believes that flooding will reduce a dog's anxiety to a certain fear. However, flooding is a two-way street. You either learn to ignore the fear OR you develop deeper fears. Oftentimes, it can be the latter. As the owner of a dog with severe public anxiety, flooding is not even one of my last resorts.

2- He uses punishment to "eliminate" bad behavior. However, many behaviorists and trainers debate that punishment merely suppresses the symptoms; it does not treat the cause.

Also, Cesar heavily believes in pack hierarchy and what he calls is 'dog psychology' - in other words, only give your dog what it needs to be fulfilled. He states on his website somewhere that dogs don't need love to be fulfilled and that that is a human need. That's a debatable topic in itself, but you can see already why some modern behaviorists/trainers criticize Millan's techniques.

Honestly, take everything you read and see from anybody with a grain of salt. Just because Millan can stop a dog from pulling with a collar pop and a "TSST!" doesn't mean you should go around popping your dog's collar and "TSST"-ing.

[DrKym]

There are two main reasons that people don't like Cesar:

1- He uses flooding a method that most trainers abhor and believe is LOOOOONG outdated. Cesar believes that flooding will reduce a dog's anxiety to a certain fear. However, flooding is a two-way street. You either learn to ignore the fear OR you develop deeper fears. Oftentimes, it can be the latter. As the owner of a dog with severe public anxiety, flooding is not even one of my last resorts.

2- He uses punishment to "eliminate" bad behavior. However, many behaviorists and trainers debate that punishment merely suppresses the symptoms; it does not treat the cause.

Also, Cesar heavily believes in pack hierarchy and what he calls is 'dog psychology' - in other words, only give your dog what it needs to be fulfilled. He states on his website somewhere that dogs don't need love to be fulfilled and that that is a human need. That's a debatable topic in itself, but you can see already why some modern behaviorists/trainers criticize Millan's techniques.

Honestly, take everything you read and see from anybody with a grain of salt. Just because Millan can stop a dog from pulling with a collar pop and a "TSST!" doesn't mean you should go around popping your dog's collar and "TSST"-ing.

WELL SAID thank you!