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    Quote Originally Posted by mike001
    Unless you and your dog have been assessed and trained by a facility, there is no acceptance for the word SD in a lot of Canadian cities now.
    This is totally false. Please post links to your proof of this. Service dogs that are trained by facilities, Service Dogs that are trained by trainers and Service Dogs that are trained by owners are fully accepted by all Canadian Provinces. All they need to be accepted is a Doctors note. Well as accepted as any SD can be in Canada. Only Guide Dogs are fully protected as we all know. God I am sooooo sick of correcting your false posts.
    Nicole

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    And the last thought through the mind of the bowl of petunias was " Oh no, not again"
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human
    And the last thought through the mind of the bowl of petunias was " Oh no, not again"
    You can say that agian.
    Nicole

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleLJ
    This is totally false. Please post links to your proof of this. Service dogs that are trained by facilities, Service Dogs that are trained by trainers and Service Dogs that are trained by owners are fully accepted by all Canadian Provinces. All they need to be accepted is a Doctors note. Well as accepted as any SD can be in Canada. Only Guide Dogs are fully protected as we all know. God I am sooooo sick of correcting your false posts.
    Nicole
    Please refrain from posing as the correction officer for my posts. You would do well to examine your motives for doing so and do a bit of research on your own postings.
    I have yet to see that you have been appointed the post police, so stop hiding your lies behind corrections of my posts.
    I won't give you the info since this is what you need to protect yourself and I can see through it.
    You have no clue what a service dog is except from studying the ada stuff until you were blue in the face.
    Sorry, but not only Guide dogs are protected around here if we have proof of assessment and trained dogs to mitigate tasks.

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    WOOLFSOUL--I don't make the laws , I just obey them. I know your feelings of frustration about comfort dogs not being recognized but for now, that' s the way it is.
    A true service dog must be able to prove that it can do mitigating tasks for the person using it.
    A dog that brings comfort, licks tears, brings love is not acknowledged as a SD by the department of Justice which enforces ADA. These are essentially known as Emotional Support dogs and are not granted access priviledges, not to say that you cannot use your dog in your home or outside if you want. Unfortunately, people don't always understand the difference and put a cape on the dog and call it a service dog. This is what is interfering with access rights.
    If you do need a SD the cost is not prohibitive as you will be covered for the cost of the training and receive the dog for whatever you can donate by many organizations. We have in our town a young girl with cerebral palsy who just received a dog from an organization free of charge. So the excuse of cost is not a worry to you if you need a dog. BUT, you do need to be assessed and found to be in that need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike001
    WOOLFSOUL--I don't make the laws , I just obey them. I know your feelings of frustration about comfort dogs not being recognized but for now, that' s the way it is.
    A true service dog must be able to prove that it can do mitigating tasks for the person using it.
    A dog that brings comfort, licks tears, brings love is not acknowledged as a SD by the department of Justice which enforces ADA. These are essentially known as Emotional Support dogs and are not granted access priviledges, not to say that you cannot use your dog in your home or outside if you want. Unfortunately, people don't always understand the difference and put a cape on the dog and call it a service dog. This is what is interfering with access rights.
    If you do need a SD the cost is not prohibitive as you will be covered for the cost of the training and receive the dog for whatever you can donate by many organizations. We have in our town a young girl with cerebral palsy who just received a dog from an organization free of charge. So the excuse of cost is not a worry to you if you need a dog. BUT, you do need to be assessed and found to be in that need.
    Witht he things you keep posting it is very obvious that in your mind you do make the laws. I am soooo glad I live in Canada and not this weird world you keep posting about. PSD's do provide physical tasks that mitigate a persons disability and it is not just licking th eTears away as you say. Here are just a few of a long list of tasks these dogs do: Wake-up handler, Remind to take medication, Help to find keys or telephone, Assist with daily routines in the home, Alert to incipient manic episode, Lead handler to a safe place, Brace or lean against the handler. Those are just a few of the many listed. The cuddle and kiss and so forth are very important but are not usually the trained public tasks to allow for public access. Those are just some of the tasks used to help center and ground a person or to help refocus. All of these tasks plus many many others make it so a PSD is a Service Dog and not an Emotional Support Dog. PLease get it right.

    As for getting a dog from a facility, THANK GOD we live in a free country where we have a right to get one from a facility, use a trainer or train one ourselves if we have the knowledge. I know I was not wanting to wait the 5yrs and raise 8,000 in donations to get a facility trained dog. Not when I have the help of a trainer and the knowledge of dog training that I have to do it myself.
    Nicole

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike001
    Please refrain from posing as the correction officer for my posts. You would do well to examine your motives for doing so and do a bit of research on your own postings.
    I have yet to see that you have been appointed the post police, so stop hiding your lies behind corrections of my posts.
    I won't give you the info since this is what you need to protect yourself and I can see through it.You have no clue what a service dog is except from studying the ada stuff until you were blue in the face.
    Sorry, but not only Guide dogs are protected around here if we have proof of assessment and trained dogs to mitigate tasks.
    You are laughable. And as long as you keep posting crap like this and not backing it up with proof(because there is none) you will be seen as such and I will keep policing your posts as you call it.

    Why should I have to protect myself? hmmmmmm. Does this mean you are admitting finnally to your stalking and harassing me? LOL I have no need to protect myself from anyone but your stalking because I am doing nothing illegal. You may wish it. Just like you Wished there were no PSD training facilities in Canada and I proved otherwise. You may WISH the laws were different in Canada where only facility trained dogs were accepted but agian I proved otherwise with legal documents. You may WISH that PSD's were not starting to be recognized like all other Service Dogs but the first one has finally be certified(Even though Service Dogs do not need to be). You may wish all Service Dogs handlers needed to show Certifaction instead of just a Doctor or nurses note(which I provided government document to prove this) You may WISH that their were an agency to police Service Dog handlers but agian I verified it is not true. You may WISH a lot of things but unfortunately for you none of it is true. So sorry but all you have done is agian make yourself look like a fool.

    Very interesing about your comment about protecting myself. That really revealed a lot.
    Nicole

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