Thinking Of Selling Daisy

[dab_20]

I know this reply is a bit late, and I'm basically repeating what others have said.

Please take Daisy to a rescue, or at least spay her before you give her to your BIL! Spaying her or giving her to the rescue may be the best thing that you'll ever do for Daisy. You are an example for you kids... do you want them to think that an animal is just something to throw away because it's convienent for you? That is one of the most important lessons in life... to respect creatures. They are living and breathing and they DO have feelings. If you just sell Daisy without even caring if she's bred or not, your kids will learn that dogs are just objects and can be 'sold' at free will. Obviously, your kids will not learn to respect animals from you, so I hope they learn this from someone else.
As for Daisy, how can you not care what happens to a dog that you supposedly 'love'? This is absolutely heartbreaking.. I feel awful for Daisy. She loves you with all her heart, even though she's been somewhat neglected and you don't seem to care for her. This is really saddening.. I wish Daisy the best of luck to wherever she goes. She deserves a loving home, with a family who deeply cares for her.

[timlewis]

For some reason you all dont understand that just because she is outside doesnt mean she is being neglected. I was hoping someone could tell me an easy way to train her to quit jumping on and running over my kids, so i could train her in what limited time i have. Someone said 15 to 20 mins a day how can u train a dog in that amount of time? But anyway despite what you may think of me I will do what is best for Daisy as i see fit. And if i cant get her to quit running over my kids then it WILL be selling her to my BIL. Now if you can tell me how to train her in 15 to 20 mins a day i may try that if not thank you all for your opinions.

[BC_MoM]

You can't train her completely in 15 minutes. What I said was that it doesn't sound like you do anything for her, mentally. Those 15 minutes a day will make a big difference if you put in an effort.

I hope you get her spayed before you sell her.

I feel so bad for Daisy.......

For some reason you all dont understand that just because she is outside doesnt mean she is being neglected. I was hoping someone could tell me an easy way to train her to quit jumping on and running over my kids, so i could train her in what limited time i have. Someone said 15 to 20 mins a day how can u train a dog in that amount of time? But anyway despite what you may think of me I will do what is best for Daisy as i see fit. And if i cant get her to quit running over my kids then it WILL be selling her to my BIL. Now if you can tell me how to train her in 15 to 20 mins a day i may try that if not thank you all for your opinions.

[timlewis]

And I Didnt Say 15 Minutes. I Said 15 Minutes A Day!

[Whisk_Luva]

Do you really think complaining at Tim is going to do any good? He only has Daisy at heart I am sure!
Come on let him make the decision. It not mine or yours to decide, Its Tims. If Tim thinks Daisy will be better with his brother in law then so be it! We cant stop him. And to put a thread up and take this long to decide shows he loves Daisy. Otherwise he would have gotten rid of her by now. I think its
best he makes the decision himself!

Shouting at him isnt going to help!

Yes poor Daisy, but he came for advise not for everyon to shout at him. Shes kept outside, SO WHAT? It doesnt mean shes neglated! Why wont anyone understand that? Most people wont have seen Daisy or where shes living so who can say she neglated?

Well Tim, Make the decision which will make Daisy Happy. I think you know your dog and people on this chat don't.

[Pam]

Now if you can tell me how to train her in 15 to 20 mins a day i may try that if not thank you all for your opinions.

Tim, I haven't read this thread through since I commented early on but I am sure it has gotten heated. I just now looked for a post from you to see what your thoughts have been through all of this and was encouraged by what you said above.

I took Bella through obedience school and also the two dogs I owned before them. The instructor showed us the things we needed to do and told us to just work with them 15-20 minutes a day until the next session a week later. At the next session we were given more *homework* to do with the dogs, and more the week after that, etc., etc. Without exception every dog in every class improved. We had a golden in the class that was just like Daisy, very high spirited and with a mind of her own. By the end of the class (10 weeks later) she was a different dog.

I can't go into detail here with how to train a dog and I am sure you don't have an obedience school close by if you live in a very rural area. Do you live near a PetsMart? They have classes. If that is not an option, just buy a book. There are many good ones out there and lots of people here could probably point out some good ones that have worked for them. I am encouraged that you are saying you will give Daisy 15-20 minutes a day. It is a start!

[coco-bean]

i really think alot of us (def. including me) got heated was how he worded his thread with daisy involved, of course we all want whats better for daisy and i really hope tim means it when he says he does too. But i sure as holy hell hope he realizes the BEST for daisy is def. not being a LONG time breeding machine. Dogs are like people in some ways...we get worn out. Sure im not big on kids and sure, i dont have any...but i do know that the body wears down...giving birth is hard for a human...think of that times however many puppies she has...PER LITER!! If you really want whats best for Daisy...at least spay her before anything! Alot of times spaying/neutering WILL calm them down some...some it works, some it doesn!
15 minutes a day would be perfect for daisy, the reason why she is climbing the fence or digging under it is because she's bored...if your back yard is fenched, throw the ball for 10 minutes...that'll have her start realizing she CAN start to trust you and you are her human!
while on you "so called walk" maybe go an extra 2 or 3 blocks...or take one of your kids and have them hold the leash so they realize she isnt just a hyper dog...help them hold the leash she she doesnt run away with them.
OR even jog a little with her...you NEED to wear her out...you'll soon realize that when the dog is worn out she will calm down and be more apt. to stay put in the cage.
I highly recommend fetch..if she likes it...my dogs will do it for hours if i let them...and when we get home...they are utterly exhausted!
On another note: Yes tim we jumped on you...me especially...it was all in the wording of your thread, it really made you sound like a real pr*ck! you may or may not be, your the one who knows who you really are, but im sure your better than this! if you want to do whats so best for your daisy, the least you can do is do a little research on your BIL or breeding and talk to your vet.
Or who knows maybe you even baught her with breeding in mind. Which also makes sense to me since you still havent gotten her spayed and she's 8 months old already.
I really dont know Tim, i just want you to be responsible with her, when you bought her you took on the responsibilty of her, including keeping her safe!
sending her off to be a forever mom insnt necessarily safe for her!
Just think about it, we'll be here to help you, but the one thing i've learned about PT is you HAVE TO WORD THINGS RIGHT! otherwise the ppl. here will tear you apart!
i've learned to watch my wording and go with it that way!
I would at least like to know what happeneds to poor daisy!
thanks for your time!

[trayi52]

I guess the thing that upset me is what you said about her being "just a dog". None of my pets are just a dog, just a cat, or just a monkey!

Willie

[sasvermont]

Need I say more?

[buttercup132]

You CAN train her for 15/20 minutes each day. It will take her a little longer to grasp it but since Boxers are smart breeds I'm sure she would have no problem.

I dont even know wether or not to offer help. Your obviously not going to give her to rescue. So whats better for Daisy , a home where she is kept outside with little attention. Or the home where she would possibly be taken better care of but turned into a breeding machine?

[finn's mom]

I don't really have a problem with people who see their dogs or other pets as "just a dog" or "just a cat" or whatever. I don't have a problem with anyone who takes care of their dog's needs but has them as an outside dog. And when I say "dog's needs", I meen food, shelter, water, medical care, and the ability to be with their pack. A dog doesn't need to be with their pack 24/7, though. Just like kids don't need to be surrounded by family 24/7. I can't begin to know how much time you and your family spend with Daisy, Tim. I hope it's enough time.

With that being said, I am "one of those people" who treats my animals better than most. My dog is a dog, but he is a member of my family. He is not a child, but he is most assuredly a family member. But, I understand and am ok with people who do not feel that way. As long as an animal has their needs met, I'm all right with people not letting them in the house.

Now. What bothers me is that you would get a dog like a boxer and think that it wouldn't be a playful, energetic hyper dog. People shop all over the darn place for the right couch and research the best deals on airfare to save money, but they will just choose a dog not knowing the first thing about the breed, just because "it's cute", or "I had one as a kid", or, in your case, "people around here are afraid of boxers". There absolutely has to be more thought put into bringing a living creature into your home, especially one who could possibly be in your care for upwards of twenty years. If a dog running through your house and knocking your children over was a problem, maybe an already trained adult boxer would have been a better option. I know it's obviously not something you can do anything about with Daisy. But, maybe consider it if you do decide to get another dog.

[Karen]

Tim, would your wife be able to help with training when you are away from home? That would speed things up considerably, to have it reinforced, what is her daily schedule like?

Daisy is still a puppy, so constant reinforcement of good behavior is the best. If you do 15 minutes a day of basics - leash training first - as in NOT pulling when she's on a leash, , then come, sit, down, and "off" - whever she jumps up, step back and make her keep her four paws on the ground - all good skills for her to know - sit, down, and off being particularly important for an exhuberant breed like a Boxer.

If you work on these things, even just 15 minutes a day, and then your wife do it as well, Daisy should pick up on things quickly. That said, she is still a puppy, and will be exhuberant for years to come, being a Boxer. If you need to rehome her, our prayers will follow with her.