Thinking Of Selling Daisy

[IRescue452]

Bring her to a rescue where she will be spayed before rehoming. Its better to find her a new home now than wait until she's older and less desirable. Besides, spending its life in a little fenced in patch of land is not the kind of life you should wish on any dog.

[coco-bean]

I, myself who has an outside dog as my mother refers to her, understand the outside dog situation, but if you had two small kids and you adopted a hyper breed like the Boxer, you should have known that it could be a risk to the kids.

I too have an "outside dog" at my dads house, merely because my dad says "No livestock in the house", "they belong outside so they can run and be free". but my dad also doesnt believe in caging so my doggie runs free, and personally i wouldnt have it any other way...FOR HER! she's old, doesnt like to be inside, during the winter if she is put in the garage at night, she will bark and bark and bark until the garage door is lifted so she can go in and out as she pleases. But she also comes home because she knows where her family is.
She was given attention outside so i do understand some of it, but what i do not understand is...if you have a dog that is outside, how do you know when its sick? or is hurt? or if no one has paid any attention to it, how do you know if theres a lump? You just DONT, and thats what also makes me very angry.
I know when my dogs are sick and dont feel well, i know how their skin feels...and i also know when each of them need to poop or pee, because im with them all the time, their my children and i dont see how people can treat their pets so terribly. Even if they feel it isnt bad, they dont know about their dog like those of us who have indoor pets.
very confusing to me!

[Roxyluvsme13]

My outside dog is allowed inside when the weather is severe, or sometimes I just bring her in because I want to. My mom doesn't object, she just doesn't want her inside full time. Anyways, that's getting off subject..

[shais_mom]

I thought the he got her for all the wrong reasons. I grew up with the mentality of no animals in the house but now that I'm on my own - I am passionately the OPPOSITE of that. That said my parents do allow my sister's dog and my dog in the house. Being well trained AND well loved makes a HUGE difference.
I notice he hasn't posted recently so I suspect that he is "put off" that we didn't agree with him and probably won't be back. I hope he finds a good home for Daisy via the boxer rescue and NOT with his brother in law where she would be a bitch for a back yard breeder or a puppy mill.
I understand that he has put a lot of HARD EARNED money into her - I am not disputing that. I think he works in the coal mines so I'm sure that $1000+ is alot to pay for anything. But while I don't work in the coal mines - I work hard for my hard earned money too (I work therefore it is hard earned) and I couldn't even BEGIN to imagine how much money I have in all 3 of these animals that are plopped right in front of me and one on each side of me right now. But I don't look at them and see dollar signs like apparently he does.
But the comment she will never come into my house b/c of my kids is a outdated and over used - My dog is 100000% better behaved than my sister's kids- I'm sure Tim's kids are well behaved maybe my sister just has heathens.
I have a lot more to say but along the lines of quoting Dr. Goodnow - his ears might melt off. And he isn't going to listen to us anyway b/c I am sure he has made up his mind - and I think he's made it clear the almighty dollar is worth more to him than teaching his kids about kindness to animal, responsibility, and the fact that pets aren't disposable. I'd be surprised if he comes back to read this anyway. I am really surprised he posted here anyway b/c he knew what kind of response he got when he posted about docking her ears.

[applesmom]

Why is your brother-in-law willing to pay six hundred dollars for an untrained, ill mannered, destructive, escape artist?

Sure go ahead and sell her to him. After you've had her spayed. At least she'd have the experience of socialization with another dog before she's dumped again.

From what you've indicated it's not likely that there is an ethical breeder involved that would be willing to take her back and rehome her. If you care anything for the dog at all, contact a Boxer rescue and give her the chance she deserves to find a forever home where she will be loved and appreciated.

If given the opportunity; at only eight months of age she should be extremely trainable and will no doubt make someone a wonderful pet.

The sooner she is removed from her current situation--the better her chances will be!

[shais_mom]

And i know some of u dont think any dog should be kept outside but to me its kinda like having gas, there are more room outside than in,lol.

Like I said above - I think he knew exactly what response he was going to get and to the fact that he attributes owning a dog that is STUCK outside in all kinds of weather vs having gas shows how much he values the responsibility of owning an animal.
I really hope he learns from this and never gets another animal.

[dukedogsmom]

As I said earlier, I can't believe the people that come here for advice and then get all angry when it's not what they wanted to hear. Why ask if you don't have any intention of even listening? He'll probably have lots more dogs and he'll be teaching his children that pets are disposable. Very sad.

[bckrazy]

I'm not judging you as a person... but it seems like the "same old" story to me. I don't have time, she's way crazier than any other dog I've met, there are no trainers, etc. It doesn't even sound like a trainer is necessary. If you got a few good training books, and dedicated your spare time to exercising her, training her, and acclimating her to being gentle with children and being quiet in the house, you WILL almost certaintly have a well-behaved dog. NO dog learns manners on their own, while sitting in a backyard alone. It's NOT second nature for them to be well-behaved, calm, and obedient. That has to be taught, and honestly it isn't rocket science.

There are reasons that a dog relentlessly tries to escape. In Daisy's case, she is escaping out of sheer boredom & lack of exercising/training. Imagine if you had to sit in a pen 24/7. You would go a little crazy and make escape attempts, too. If you want to keep her, I recommend giving her 1 hour of active off-leash exercise a day, as many walks as you possibly can, 15-30 minutes of training, and spending as much time with her (outside presumably) as possible. You should also provide her with stimulating toys (Kongs, treat balls, chews, etc) while she's alone, so she has something to occupy her time with. Dogs do not want to be alone, even if that means they're sleeping in a crate in your room. They WILL keep on escaping through anything you set up, to look for you. As far as not being in the house because of the kids... my sister has 2 girls, ages 1 & 4. My dogs are AWESOME with them, and all of them get along wonderfully. My dogs are also great with my 5 year-old little brother, they all hang out in the house together and the dogs nor the kids have ever hurt or scared each other. It's about supervision, and teaching manners (to the dogs and the kids).

If that doesn't seem *worth it* to you, find her a home that DOES have plenty of time to train her & will allow her inside with the family.

[shais_mom]

I'm not judging you as a person... but it seems like the "same old" story to me. I don't have time, she's way crazier than any other dog I've met, there are no trainers, etc. It doesn't even sound like a trainer is necessary. If you got a few good training books, and dedicated your spare time to exercising her, training her, and acclimating her to being gentle with children and being quiet in the house, you WILL almost certaintly have a well-behaved dog. NO dog learns manners on their own, while sitting in a backyard alone. It's NOT second nature for them to be well-behaved, calm, and obedient. That has to be taught, and honestly it isn't rocket science.

There are reasons that a dog relentlessly tries to escape. In Daisy's case, she is escaping out of sheer boredom & lack of exercising/training. Imagine if you had to sit in a pen 24/7. You would go a little crazy and make escape attempts, too. If you want to keep her, I recommend giving her 1 hour of active off-leash exercise a day, as many walks as you possibly can, 15-30 minutes of training, and spending as much time with her (outside presumably) as possible. You should also provide her with stimulating toys (Kongs, treat balls, chews, etc) while she's alone, so she has something to occupy her time with. Dogs do not want to be alone, even if that means they're sleeping in a crate in your room. They WILL keep on escaping through anything you set up, to look for you. As far as not being in the house because of the kids... my sister has 2 girls, ages 1 & 4. My dogs are AWESOME with them, and all of them get along wonderfully. My dogs are also great with my 5 year-old little brother, they all hang out in the house together and the dogs nor the kids have ever hurt or scared each other. It's about supervision, and teaching manners (to the dogs and the kids).

If that doesn't seem *worth it* to you, find her a home that DOES have plenty of time to train her & will allow her inside with the family.

well put tho I still think we are falling on deaf ears if he does come back.
You have to train and discipline the dog just like you do your children. You had to teach your children to walk, talk, eat, dress, brush their teeth. Guess what? They didn't just KNOW how to do this YOU had to TEACH them!

[Roxyluvsme13]

On the training thing.. you may have a busy schedule, but if a 14 year old (me) can house train and teach a dog manners, I think you could, too.

[shais_mom]

On the training thing.. you may have a busy schedule, but if a 14 year old (me) can house train and teach a dog manners, I think you could, too.

very good point Bri - but I think he's using it as a cop out -
b/c he said "I just don't think I have time I work 3rd shift."
I raised a GOLDEN RETRIEVER who was JUST as hyper as a boxer if not more at times BY MYSELF - living alone and working all 3 shifts on an erratic basis. Patience, tears, and a CRATE training her as a puppy and 5 years later she is almost the perfect dog. (tho she does have her moments just like a kid)

[Roxyluvsme13]

I think he just wants to throw poor Daisy away. She's not fit for his standards anymore, so time to get a new replacement.

[shais_mom]

yup
I've NEVER been around a boxer that was quiet and sedate and calm. NEVER. Unless it didn't feel good. My friend was talking about her dog the other nite and she said the only reason her 3 year old boxer/lab mix was so smart was b/c of the boxer. And I cackled I laughed so hard. I said what are you smoking? There are way more guide dogs that are retrievers-labs than boxers. While they are smart and can be trained to do anything I would never say that they were soooo smart. My aunt and uncle used to raise boxers (ok as much as I love them they WERE BYB) and they had indoor manners the whole nine yards. One day they left the dogs (2) out to do as dogs do and run the farm and when my uncle went out to the barn they had KILLED a 600 pound steer and were attempting to bring down the other one. That was the end of those dogs and the end of boxers at their house.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Roxy's only half Boxer, but she's still reaaaaalllly hyper. When she first comes inside she goes into the living room and runs around the coffee table.. and when I say her name, she runs cuz she thinks I'm playing .

[Zippy]

*sigh*
Why did you come to PT? You known what we were going to say.
No dog should be bought for protection only.Poor Daisy another innocent suffering because you needed protection and should have gotten a security system.