Thinking Of Selling Daisy

[Kfamr]

I read the entire post. 2-3 times, so I know what he said. But, training is the only reasonable decision in my opinion and many of us can help him with that.

If you're never going to allow your dogs inside, good luck, because I imagine you're going to have a lot of "hard decisions" just like this one in the future.

-Sigh- Good luck I suppose because it doesn't seem you're here to actually listen to our suggestions and you're set in your decision.

Hope your brother-in-law takes the time for her. Also, you may want to speak with her breeder. Often time selling a dog is against the contract. Most breeders prefer the dog is returned before rehoming.

[Pam]

I read the entire post. 2-3 times, so I know what he said.

I wasn't saying that you didn't. I was only explaining why I responded the way I did (i.e., didn't suggest training). *sigh*

[Ginger's Mom]

Glad to hear that you are thinking of rehoming Daisy. May I strongly suggest that you do not do it yourself, but contact a Boxer rescue (there seems to be one not far from you in Tennessee). They will be better able to determine what is best for Daisy. If what you really want is what is best for Daisy and your family that is the best way to go. Your brother -in-law probably isn't a good idea either since from what you say Daisy needs training and you have indicated that he doesn't train his dogs. Sounds like a failure before it even begins. Hope Daisy does well in her new home, she is a cutie.

[Roxyluvsme13]

I, myself who has an outside dog as my mother refers to her, understand the outside dog situation, but if you had two small kids and you adopted a hyper breed like the Boxer, you should have known that it could be a risk to the kids.

[IRescue452]

Bring her to a rescue where she will be spayed before rehoming. Its better to find her a new home now than wait until she's older and less desirable. Besides, spending its life in a little fenced in patch of land is not the kind of life you should wish on any dog.

[Roxyluvsme13]

On the training thing.. you may have a busy schedule, but if a 14 year old (me) can house train and teach a dog manners, I think you could, too.

[shais_mom]

On the training thing.. you may have a busy schedule, but if a 14 year old (me) can house train and teach a dog manners, I think you could, too.

very good point Bri - but I think he's using it as a cop out -
b/c he said "I just don't think I have time I work 3rd shift."
I raised a GOLDEN RETRIEVER who was JUST as hyper as a boxer if not more at times BY MYSELF - living alone and working all 3 shifts on an erratic basis. Patience, tears, and a CRATE training her as a puppy and 5 years later she is almost the perfect dog. (tho she does have her moments just like a kid)

[coco-bean]

I, myself who has an outside dog as my mother refers to her, understand the outside dog situation, but if you had two small kids and you adopted a hyper breed like the Boxer, you should have known that it could be a risk to the kids.

I too have an "outside dog" at my dads house, merely because my dad says "No livestock in the house", "they belong outside so they can run and be free". but my dad also doesnt believe in caging so my doggie runs free, and personally i wouldnt have it any other way...FOR HER! she's old, doesnt like to be inside, during the winter if she is put in the garage at night, she will bark and bark and bark until the garage door is lifted so she can go in and out as she pleases. But she also comes home because she knows where her family is.
She was given attention outside so i do understand some of it, but what i do not understand is...if you have a dog that is outside, how do you know when its sick? or is hurt? or if no one has paid any attention to it, how do you know if theres a lump? You just DONT, and thats what also makes me very angry.
I know when my dogs are sick and dont feel well, i know how their skin feels...and i also know when each of them need to poop or pee, because im with them all the time, their my children and i dont see how people can treat their pets so terribly. Even if they feel it isnt bad, they dont know about their dog like those of us who have indoor pets.
very confusing to me!

[Roxyluvsme13]

My outside dog is allowed inside when the weather is severe, or sometimes I just bring her in because I want to. My mom doesn't object, she just doesn't want her inside full time. Anyways, that's getting off subject..

[shais_mom]

I thought the he got her for all the wrong reasons. I grew up with the mentality of no animals in the house but now that I'm on my own - I am passionately the OPPOSITE of that. That said my parents do allow my sister's dog and my dog in the house. Being well trained AND well loved makes a HUGE difference.
I notice he hasn't posted recently so I suspect that he is "put off" that we didn't agree with him and probably won't be back. I hope he finds a good home for Daisy via the boxer rescue and NOT with his brother in law where she would be a bitch for a back yard breeder or a puppy mill.
I understand that he has put a lot of HARD EARNED money into her - I am not disputing that. I think he works in the coal mines so I'm sure that $1000+ is alot to pay for anything. But while I don't work in the coal mines - I work hard for my hard earned money too (I work therefore it is hard earned) and I couldn't even BEGIN to imagine how much money I have in all 3 of these animals that are plopped right in front of me and one on each side of me right now. But I don't look at them and see dollar signs like apparently he does.
But the comment she will never come into my house b/c of my kids is a outdated and over used - My dog is 100000% better behaved than my sister's kids- I'm sure Tim's kids are well behaved maybe my sister just has heathens.
I have a lot more to say but along the lines of quoting Dr. Goodnow - his ears might melt off. And he isn't going to listen to us anyway b/c I am sure he has made up his mind - and I think he's made it clear the almighty dollar is worth more to him than teaching his kids about kindness to animal, responsibility, and the fact that pets aren't disposable. I'd be surprised if he comes back to read this anyway. I am really surprised he posted here anyway b/c he knew what kind of response he got when he posted about docking her ears.

[applesmom]

Why is your brother-in-law willing to pay six hundred dollars for an untrained, ill mannered, destructive, escape artist?

Sure go ahead and sell her to him. After you've had her spayed. At least she'd have the experience of socialization with another dog before she's dumped again.

From what you've indicated it's not likely that there is an ethical breeder involved that would be willing to take her back and rehome her. If you care anything for the dog at all, contact a Boxer rescue and give her the chance she deserves to find a forever home where she will be loved and appreciated.

If given the opportunity; at only eight months of age she should be extremely trainable and will no doubt make someone a wonderful pet.

The sooner she is removed from her current situation--the better her chances will be!

[sumbirdy]

...if you have a dog that is outside, how do you know when its sick? or is hurt? or if no one has paid any attention to it, how do you know if theres a lump? You just DONT, and thats what also makes me very angry.
I know when my dogs are sick and dont feel well, i know how their skin feels...and i also know when each of them need to poop or pee, because im with them all the time, their my children and i dont see how people can treat their pets so terribly. Even if they feel it isnt bad, they dont know about their dog like those of us who have indoor pets.
very confusing to me!

I have 11 outside dogs and I know when they are sick or hurt. I run my hands over them every day. You can tell if their sick by the change of their personality. I don't consider having your dog outside "treating it terribly" Shouldn't we give our animals a choice, just as people have choices? I gave my dogs a choice, stay in or stay out. Most chose out. Dogs love to be outside. They love to be around people, yes, but some people are outside people. People think they'll die from getting to hot or cold. I have NEVER had a dog die from heat (they shed in the summer) or from cold (their hair grows thicker in the winter) but I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. If you take care of your dogs, give them love, attention, shelter then they can thrive outside, sometimes they do better than inside dogs. But this is just my opinion. Before anyone goes judging about whether someone keeps their dogs in or out they should look at their lifestyle, where they live, ect. first.

[Vela]

Boxers are never meant to be outside dogs. Their hair coat does not grow thicker in the winter, nor thinner in the summer. It stays the same all year round, very sparse on the underbelly and legs, etc. Anywhere you read about boxers says they should not be kept outside. Many dogs can be kept outside physically (not saying I prefer that for myself, I don't) but some dogs cannot tolerate the extremes of heat and/or cold. They also cannot live outside in the hot summer because brachycephalic dogs overheat much more easily.

You are correct in saying that many dogs can life outside, as long as they are provided for, even if it's not ideal, but some breeds just cannot do so as well as others and those considerations should be taken into account when buying any breed. "What is it's intended purpose, can it fulfill that purpose and the way in which you plan to keep it, and is that the right breed of dog". The dog was bought to look mean, without consdieration of the fact that that particular breed is not meant to be housed outside in anything but moderate conditions year round, be it either heat or cold, and they also do not do well mentally being kept more isolated. They are far "needier" dogs than many other breeds, and that is why he's having problems.

I fully understand different people not seeing their animals as more than the animals they are, I do not feel that way, but they are entitled to it. The main reason I got upset myself was the way it was talked about, with it sounding like he didn't much care if she was bred or not, and didn't seem to realize the lack of socialization time was causing a lot of the problems. The dog has too much pent up energy, and she's getting blamed for being an active dog who hasn't been trained. It's not her fault.

Tim, I wish you luck in training her, and that things are able to settle down for you all, but if you really want to send her to your BIL, please don't let her be a breeder, it's really so hard on them. I have a dog that was used as a breeder, she came to me after, and she has had many health problems and illnesses because of it.

[maerlyn]

What, exactly, will you "miss" about her? You're not giving her attention; you're insistent that neither she nor any other dog will live in your home. Then why even have a dog??? Dogs and cats kept as companions (as opposed to working dogs) should be members of the *family*. That means living with the family, interacting with the family on a regular basis. What pleasure does Daisy get from you? That poor child is a living, sentient being - not a "thing" to buy and then "get rid of" when it no longer serves your purpose! And what for what purpose do you wish to own a dog - just to say you have one? You banish the poor soul to the yard and then wonder why she wants to get out & run away. I agree wholeheartedly with the poster who said that you don't deserve to own a dog - or any other companion animal. Where was your concern for your "two precious children" when you *bought* poor Daisy? I feel so sorry for her, it breaks my heart. Furthermore, the example you are setting for those children is abominable! You are teaching them that dogs are "things", like toys, to be put aside until you deign to bestow some of your largesse upon them. We do not *need* any more people with attitudes like that!! Do the responsibile thing and see that poorl, pathetic Daisy goes to a reputable rescue; they'll have her spayed and see that she goes to a *deserving* home.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I realize I'm coming in at the tail end of this discussion but I feel like I need to put in my two cents also.

As hard as it may seem, I think I know where Tim is coming from. Please understand that even though this feels like de ja vu to me, I do not condone any of his thoughts or practices of dog ownership.

Many years ago, I lived in Virginia in "coal mining country". I was married with two young children. My husband(now ex husband) and his entire family worked in the coal mines. Let me point out, I'm not stereotyping coal miners either. It's just a coincidence that that was also their profession. The universal mentality was that dogs stayed outside, they needed very little training, all the dogs in the yard had a "job", and if they weren't able to do their jobs, they needed to be, for the lack of a better term; disposed of. If you could find a better home, for whatever the reason or purpose, that was your first option. If you could get back some of the cash you had invested, that would be an even better deal. If not, whatever. If another home was unavailable, that dog would just be ..........(fill in the blank).

As I recall, Tim got this dog to protect his family. We all remember the ear cropping style that was chosen so Daisy could look "meaner" and scare away unwanted visitors. Daisy has required more training than Tim has time to do and he would be the only person designated to train Daisy. I'm thinking that training Daisy would be a job done by only the man of the house.

It has turned out that Daisy didn't "automatically" measure up as she should have so she needs to go. Tim is probably aggravated with the situation because now he has an unsuitable dog on his property and his family still needs protection. After the time and expense, Tim and his family are back to square one. What is he going to do now?

Tim, I don't mean this to be disrespectful to you at all. I can just see the people on this board, reading this saga in complete disbelief. Most of us don't think like this and that's why so many people are having such a hard time understanding your rationale in this situation. Please understand, Tim, that you're not of the same school that the people on this board are. You and Pet Talk are almost 100% on two completely different pages.

I am not surprised this happened at all. What does surprise me is that you would come back and ask advice from the members of this board after all you've already been through here. Surely, you know you don't think like the pet owners here. I can't imagine why you came here asking for advice again when you knew what would happen.

I hope you are able to rehome that beautiful girl of your's and she's able to live a happy life. Hopefully, she is spayed right away and not turned into a breeding machine. So she didn't work out for you, Tim. Maybe she can become a wonderful pet for some loving family. She deserves a better life than what she's had so far.