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**Marigold2** · 03-16-2007, 11:27 PM

Tang, tang ,tang tang. I was looking at all this woman did that was good not just for her family but her country. An intelligent, educated, brave, woman who should have therapy and a second chance. She is not some ganster, drug addict who is a repeat offended with no education. I looked at all she had done in her life, not just one small part of her life. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone needs help at least once or twice in her or his life. This woman can and should be given a second chance. She had done more for this country that most people ever will.

**Lady's Human** · 03-16-2007, 11:37 PM

Battery, attempted kidnapping, destruction of evidence, and the other sundry charges against her would have landed one of us "regular people" in jail. No bail, have a nice weekend with your cellmate.

Sorry, she's an officer in the military, and as such should also have military charges against her in addition to the civilian charges. Celebrity status should never equal special treatment.

**Marigold2** · 03-17-2007, 01:12 AM

I think more then anything she is in mental distress, she is not a cold mean killer, she is mentally ill and needs help. This is not a lifetime criminal this is a confused, ill woman of outstanding merit. When she stands in front of the judge I hope he looks at all the good she has done, not just the bad. How many of us have done something horrible, stupid, mean, crazy? Now imagine you get caught and the whole world knows your shame. So much pride, so much hard work and sacrifice and then in a moment or a week or a day you do something and it is all shot to hell. I don't believe that is how it should be. Good people do dumb things. Good people deserve a second chance, bad lifetime criminals do not. I am far from a bleeding heart, I believe in the death penalty. Should not the good we have done in our lives count or just those moments of ugliness? Who here would not like a second chance? Who here has accomplished as much as she did in their lives?

**critter crazy** · 03-17-2007, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

I think more then anything she is in mental distress, she is not a cold mean killer, she is mentally ill and needs help. This is not a lifetime criminal this is a confused, ill woman of outstanding merit. When she stands in front of the judge I hope he looks at all the good she has done, not just the bad. How many of us have done something horrible, stupid, mean, crazy? Now imagine you get caught and the whole world knows your shame. So much pride, so much hard work and sacrifice and then in a moment or a week or a day you do something and it is all shot to hell. I don't believe that is how it should be. Good people do dumb things. Good people deserve a second chance, bad lifetime criminals do not. I am far from a bleeding heart, I believe in the death penalty. Should not the good we have done in our lives count or just those moments of ugliness? Who here would not like a second chance? Who here has accomplished as much as she did in their lives?

But they do count! She is a first time offender, she is not going to get the same sentance, as a person who has done this numerous times! Judges do look at the person as a whole, and base sentencing on this fact. But she still deserves what she gets. She did a very stupid thing.

**wombat2u2004** · 03-17-2007, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

I think more then anything she is in mental distress, she is not a cold mean killer, she is mentally ill and needs help. This is not a lifetime criminal this is a confused, ill woman of outstanding merit. When she stands in front of the judge I hope he looks at all the good she has done, not just the bad. How many of us have done something horrible, stupid, mean, crazy? Now imagine you get caught and the whole world knows your shame. So much pride, so much hard work and sacrifice and then in a moment or a week or a day you do something and it is all shot to hell. I don't believe that is how it should be. Good people do dumb things. Good people deserve a second chance, bad lifetime criminals do not. I am far from a bleeding heart, I believe in the death penalty. Should not the good we have done in our lives count or just those moments of ugliness? Who here would not like a second chance? Who here has accomplished as much as she did in their lives?

Hmmmmmm......yes. I think I'm going to have to go with Marigold on this one.
The more I consider this....the more I see the sense in it.
Some people do a lot of good in this world, and usually for little or no reward.
But when they mess up...and those mess ups are only in line with other peoples expectations....then they are punished for it.
So where is the balance ????
I know what she did was wrong in the eyes of everyone....but who here can honestly say they have never done wrong ??? And were those wrongs discovered by others ??? Or did you simply get away with it. And did the punishment, if you received any....fit ther crime ???
From my readings of this particular case......the whole matter was simply a matter of the heart...the poor woman felt rejected, cheated on etc etc.
She is obviously crazy about this guy, and she has obviously done something quite stupid here.
So reading Marigolds post has made me sort of wake up to that.
I think this woman is REALLY in for it, not only from the law, but she will be probably ostracised for the rest of her life, her career gone, probably what remains of her family gone.....a bit harsh...don't you all think ???
Well perhaps we should just put her to death, as an example for all of those who would fall in love, and then break the law trying to defend that.
What about the guy ??? He gets away scot free...right ??? And what part did he actually play in this....I can only guess. Wow !!!! He's famous now, got a name for himself, can go fly his little spaceship, and hit on as many women as he likes....married or not...it seems not to be his issue.
Fair ???? I think not.
Wombat

**dukedogsmom** · 03-17-2007, 04:28 AM

No one's debating that all of us have done some wrong in our lives. However, this goes way beyond "doing wrong". As far as the man is concerned, he didn't drive 900 miles nonstop to try to abuct, etc, whatever she planned on doing. And since she has had all of that education and training, then she should know more than ever the difference of right and wrong. We all have urges to do things we know we shouldn't. But that doesn't mean we all just cut loose and do it and who cares about the consequences.

**wombat2u2004** · 03-17-2007, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by dukedogsmom

No one's debating that all of us have done some wrong in our lives. However, this goes way beyond "doing wrong". As far as the man is concerned, he didn't drive 900 miles nonstop to try to abuct, etc, whatever she planned on doing. And since she has had all of that education and training, then she should know more than ever the difference of right and wrong. We all have urges to do things we know we shouldn't. But that doesn't mean we all just cut loose and do it and who cares about the consequences.

Well perhaps we should be debating that. Because this woman has been made a spectacle of.....have you ????
And how does it go BEYOND doing wrong ??? For driving 900 miles to confront her lovers mistress ??? Wow...thats REALLY wrong. I bet that happens all the time in the USA, and you wouldn't even know the names of the people doing it..
And did she intend to abduct or kill or maim (because she had so called weapons on her person) ??? I think it's all circumstantial evidence. The media has got hold of this, and as usual have hyped it up to do TWO things.....to make themselves money/fill their pages up and to give Americans a scapegoat !!!!!
Nope...I don't think it's right what they did to her...in my eyes she has done very little wrong. They should leave her alone.
Wombat

**Lady's Human** · 03-17-2007, 10:05 AM

She was not made a spectacle of, she made a spectacle of herself. She violated the oath she took as an officer in the US military. She threw millions of dollars that NASA has spent to train her down the drain.

Sorry, ZERO sympathy.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 03-17-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

Battery, attempted kidnapping, destruction of evidence, and the other sundry charges against her would have landed one of us "regular people" in jail. No bail, have a nice weekend with your cellmate.

Sorry, she's an officer in the military, and as such should also have military charges against her in addition to the civilian charges. Celebrity status should never equal special treatment.

I just hope she gets the same jury (or whatever they call it in the military) as all those officers involved in Abu Gahraib....

**Puckstop31** · 03-17-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

Tang, tang ,tang tang. I was looking at all this woman did that was good not just for her family but her country. An intelligent, educated, brave, woman who should have therapy and a second chance. She is not some ganster, drug addict who is a repeat offended with no education. I looked at all she had done in her life, not just one small part of her life. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone needs help at least once or twice in her or his life. This woman can and should be given a second chance. She had done more for this country that most people ever will.

MISTAKES??? Pre-meditated attempted first degree murder is a mistake?

Therapy??? For what?

Action = Consequence. Excuses are like a-holes, everybody has got one and they all stink.

**critter crazy** · 03-17-2007, 11:11 PM

I have never done anything wrong in my life, and have served my country for over 10 yrs. But If I went out and did exactly what she did, I would NOT get a second Chance!! phhhhtttt....she made her bed, now she has to lay in it!

**sparks19** · 03-17-2007, 11:16 PM

The key here is PREMEDITATION. just because she failed doesn't mean we should cut her a break and send her on her way.

**LoudLou** · 03-17-2007, 11:23 PM

I want to know what kind of car she was driving that could go for 900 miles with no pitstops?

**sparks19** · 03-17-2007, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by LoudLou

I want to know what kind of car she was driving that could go for 900 miles with no pitstops?

A darn good one

Maybe she did make gas stops..... or maybe she filled a bunch of gas cans pre trip. who knows

But it would be nice to know what kind of car gets such good mileage

Or she has one of those hybrids and just drove under 40 MPH the whole way so she didn't use gas lol

**wombat2u2004** · 03-18-2007, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by sparks19

The key here is PREMEDITATION. just because she failed doesn't mean we should cut her a break and send her on her way.

Premeditation ??? What did she think she was going to do ???
And failed ??? What did she fail at ???
These are only your assumptions.....based on flimsy so called GREAT evidence....like a number of objects in her car, and the fact that she was hurt enough to drive 900 miles, and a few emails between lovers.
So far all I have heard about premeditation is what YOU think she was going to do....and of course what the MEDIA have suggested.
But yes...I agree that they shouldn't give her a break and cut her free, but how about doing that in line with what she has actually done, and not in line of what people believe she would have done.
I hold to my original idea that all of this is only to find a scapegoat for American people to gloat over. Yeah....she is a clever and successful girl....lets just cut her down.
Wombat