A woman President

[Freedom]

I am a woman, and have always been paid the same as any man working beside me!

Wow! I am thinking you have been extremely fortunate! Good for you!

[Puckstop31]

Got this in an email from a buddy of mine. I would've laughed harder if this stuff wasn't true and documented.

"Where is the G-damn f**king flag? I want the G-damn f**king flag up every f**king morning at f**king sunrise."
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244 - Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day, 1991)

"You sold out, you mother f**ker! You sold out!" From the book "Inside" by Joseph Califano, p. 213 - Hillary yelling at Democrat lawyer.

"It's been said, and I think it's accurate, that my husband was obsessed by terrorism in general and al-qaida in particular."
(Hillary telling a post-9/11 world what a 'great' commander in chief her husband was; Dateline, NBC 4/16/2004.)

"I have to admit that a good deal of what my husband and I have learned [about Islam] has come from our daughter."
(TruthInMedia.org 8/8/1999 - Hillary at a White House function, proudly tells some Muslim groups she is gaining a greater appreciation of Islam because Chelsea was then taking a class on the "religion of peace")

"F**k off! It's enough that I have to see you shit-kickers every day, I'm not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*damn job and keep your mouth shut."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 90 - Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good morning."

"You f**king idiot."
(From the book "Crossfire" p. 84 - Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event.)

"If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king ass over here and grab those bags!"
(From the book "The First Partner" p. 259 - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.)

"Get f**ked! Get the f**k out of my way!!! Get out of my face!!!"
(From the book "Hillary's Scheme" p. 89 - Hillary's various comments to her Secret Service detail agents.)

"Stay the f**k back, stay the f**k away from me! Don't come within ten yards of me, or else! Just f**king do as I say, Okay!!!?"
(From the book "Unlimited Access", by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge, Gary Aldrige, p. 139 - Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail.)

"Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush's] tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
(Hillary grandstanding at a fund raising speech in San Francisco; SFGate.com 6/28/2004.)

"Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?!"
(From the book "The Survivor," by John Harris, p. 382 - Hillary in her 2000 Senate campaign)

"Where's the miserable c*ck sucker?"
(From the book "The Truth About Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5 - Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer)

"No matter what you think about the Iraq war, there is one thing we can all agree on for the next days - we have to salute the courage and bravery of those who are risking their lives to vote and those brave Iraqi and American soldiers fighting to protect their right to vote.
(Was posted on Hillary Clinton's senate.gov web site on 1/28/05)

"Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those sunglasses. We need to go back!"
(From the book "Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72 - ;Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One.)

"A right-wing network was after his presidency...including perverting the Constitution."
(To Barbara Walters about the Republicans who impeached her husband; 20/20, ABC 6/8/2003.)

"Son of a bitch."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 259 - Hillary's opinion of President George W. Bush when she found out he secretly visited Iraq just days before her highly publicized trip to Iraq)

"What are you doing inviting these people into my home? These people are our enemies! They are trying to destroy us!"
(From the book "The Survivor" by John Harris, p.99 - Hillary screaming to an aide, when she found out that some Republicans had been invited to the Clinton White House)

"I mean, you've got a conservative and right-wing press presence with really nothing on the other end of the political spectrum."
(C-Span, 1/19/1997 - Hillary complains about the mainstream media, which are all conservatives in her opinion)

"Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't f**k her here!!"
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243 - Hillary to Gov. Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female at an Arkansas political rally)

"You know, I'm going to start thanking the woman who cleans the restroom in the building I work in. I'm going to start thinking of her as a human being" -Hillary Clinton
(From the book "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" by Peggy Noonan, p. 55)

"You show people what you're willing to fight for when you fight your friends."
(From the book "The Agenda" by Bob Woodward, ch. 14)

"We are at a stage in history i n which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West."
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 119 - During her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas)

"The only way to make a difference is to acquire power"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 68 - Hillary to a friend before starting law school.)

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D Kuiper, p. 20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)

"I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe" Hillary in 1996" From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee F an" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 76 - Hillary in 1996)



This ill-tempered, violent, foul mouthed, hateful and abusive woman wants to be your president and have total control as commander-in-chief of a military that her party so openly and proudly admit they detest. I can see someone like this gaining the respect of other nations, and especially from their leaders, who refuse to do as she tells them ...or else. No thanks, my country deserves a better leader, not a dominatrix!

You can tell a lot about someone's character by observing how they treat those around them that have no power or leverage over them.

[critter crazy]

Wow! I am thinking you have been extremely fortunate! Good for you!

Maybe I have been fortunate, and maybe it was because i was in the army. In the Army There is no different pay scale for women, we all get paid the same, based on time in and Rank. As it should be wherever you work. But I have held a few Civilian Jobs, and the pay was still the same for me, as it was for the guy working right next to me.

[Cataholic]

Anyone that holds, "I wouldn't vote for anyone on the basis of their gender", how many of you have voted for someone simply because of their party affilitation? Voting for someone simply on the basis of their gender makes at least as much sense as voting for someone on the basis of their party affiliation.

I do think a woman would work more progressively towards 'woman's issues' than a man. I think a woman can 'get' gender bias more than a man. I **want** a woman president if for no other reason than to see how the other gender does it.

And, LH- you are acting unfair! If you recall, in the driving while under the influence of a car phone thread, I was called to task for tsk tsk'ing stats/surveys/polls....but, now, you imply that stats/surveys/polls can be skewed? WHAT?

LOL, and welcome back!

[Karen]

Anyone that holds, "I wouldn't vote for anyone on the basis of their gender", how many of you have voted for someone simply because of their party affilitation? Voting for someone simply on the basis of their gender makes at least as much sense as voting for someone on the basis of their party affiliation.

I am the one who origionally posted that and I can state categorically that I have never voted for anyone based on their party affiliation.

I do think a woman would work more progressively towards 'woman's issues' than a man. I think a woman can 'get' gender bias more than a man.

Yes, but will she be able to do anything more about it, or is s/he (pick a politician, any politician) just paying it lip service during the campaign to get votes?

Can you tell there are very few politicians I trust?

I **want** a woman president if for no other reason than to see how the other gender does it.

I think four years and the fate of the planet are a little much to risk "just to see" anything.

Just My Humble Opinion ...

[Lady's Human]

Cataholic:

It all depends on where the statistics are coming from whether they can be trusted or not. Methodology, sample size, and other issues come into play whenever you are relying on someone else's statistics to prove or disprove a point., In the case of the Johns Hopkins study I cited in the cell phone discussion, the sample size was large, and they were using raw data from insurance companies' accident records.

In the case of pay, according to the bureau of labor statistics, on average women who are employed full time worked .7 of an hour per day less than their male couterparts. That alone accounts for a pay disparity. In the case of the Bureau of Labor stats, their sample size is huge (the US Workforce) and they are government employees, so they have no axe to grind. They use raw data from US employers, so the data they use has not been skewed by being filtered by another study. (Using data from a study in your statistical study, as is done at times, is a sure way to twist data.)


As far as voting for a party instead of an individual? Let's just say in the last 4 elections I've voted in, very few of the candidates I voted for won. Why? They weren't representatives of either of the major parties. I have a tendency to vote on the conservative side of things, but I don't vote for someone because they are a Republican. I actually look at the candidates and look at their platforms, and email campaigns for more information.

Slick campaigners do nothing for me. They are more likely NOT to get my vote because any time the BS meter goes off the candidate has probably lost my vote. Say what you mean, mean what you say, and just let the chips fall.

[lizbud]

I think four years and the fate of the planet are a little much to risk "just to see" anything.

Just My Humble Opinion ...

Well, we just risked the last 8 years to a complete nincompoop, I seriously
doubt ANY woman could be worse than he was.

In my humble opinion.

[Cataholic]

Liz, I agree!

I find it odd that we are willing to put our faith in a male president for four years....essentially, just waiting to see what they do (as they promise), but, when it comes to a woman, there are just too many "unknowns" for most of us to be comfortable.

Ah, sexism. Alive and well!

[Karen]

Liz, I agree!

I find it odd that we are willing to put our faith in a male president for four years....essentially, just waiting to see what they do (as they promise), but, when it comes to a woman, there are just too many "unknowns" for most of us to be comfortable.

Ah, sexism. Alive and well!

Not in my mind, thank you very much. Trust me, I was raised in a very equal opportunity household. I just said I wouldn't vote for someone just because she was a woman. I didn't say I didn't want to change genders in the White House, dagnabbit, what I meant, and mean is that gender has no role in my voting choice.

I don't care if you are male or female, gay, bi or straight, black, white, green or plaid. What matters to me is your platform, ideas, ability, integritry, and worthiness for the task at hand.

[Sophist]

Liz, I agree!

I find it odd that we are willing to put our faith in a male president for four years....essentially, just waiting to see what they do (as they promise), but, when it comes to a woman, there are just too many "unknowns" for most of us to be comfortable.

Ah, sexism. Alive and well!

Ah, but we aren't putting our faith in them just to see what a MAN will do. We put our faith in them because of what we hope that individual will do. It was posted that we should vote for a woman just to see what would happen... it is not sexist to insist we will not vote for a candidate just out of curiousity toawrds how their sex organs will affect the office.

The point was clearly made that those of us who disagreed with the statement thought that the individual in question for an office was a much bigger consideration that their plumbing.

[Marigold2]

I agree, Bush is the WORST president we have ever had. As for Dennis K. I know think he will not win but but I do believe his heart is in the right place.

Hilary is driven, and anyone with that kind of drive and ambition will want to do a good job, they hate to fail at anything.

It's time for a woman to take the helm. And maybe Billy boy had a problem keeping his pants zipped but he was an excellent president who had the respect of the world. I think he would make a great right hand man for his wife. The two of them together in the white house is in my opinion just what this country needs.

[DrKym]

I agree, Bush is the WORST president we have ever had. As for Dennis K. I know think he will not win but but I do believe his heart is in the right place.

Hilary is driven, and anyone with that kind of drive and ambition will want to do a good job, they hate to fail at anything.

It's time for a woman to take the helm. And maybe Billy boy had a problem keeping his pants zipped but he was an excellent president who had the respect of the world. I think he would make a great right hand man for his wife. The two of them together in the white house is in my opinion just what this country needs.

Like I said SHE didn't do a bad job the first time out as Prez!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Lh...both your employers...the Army and USPS are heavily regulated when it comes to pay so...in your universe there is..or at least should be pay equity.

But you are right...figures lie and liars figure. I can find you a very credible survey/study...from an organization that supposedly is unbiased to support pretty much any position you would like to support.

And this is not true....

In the case of the Bureau of Labor stats, their sample size is huge (the US Workforce)

if you are suggesting that ALL employers are included. Employers do not have to provide the information to the Bureau...they choose to... So whether it is accurate or not...<<shrug>> it does not come off payroll registers -- it is what the employer chooses to report. I have had the responsibility of this reporting with employers in the past. Sometimes it gets done and sometimes.... It is good information, albeit a little out of date by the time it gets published....but the gospel truth...the whole truth? Not really. And the guys who prepare it....they are government employees in the same manner that USPS employees are government employees. It is more a quasi-government group -- sort of a sub-contract gig.

And Lizbud....amen sister! Wouldn't it be nice if whoever the next president is, it be someone who can try and restore some dignity and respect for our nation after these last few abysmal years?

[Lady's Human]

ES,

In the army, pay is absolutely equitable. One pay table, no OT, what ya get is what ya get.

In the PO, however, there is a pay disparity. Why? If you look at the OT volunteer lists in the office I work for, 2/3 of the volunteers are male, in a workforce that is about a 50/50 split between men and women. Therefore, a male in the same position as a female is going to get pay more statistically, as they are more likely to get OT than the equivalent female. In a workplace where anything over 10 hours in a shift is doubletime, a wage disparity can be racked up rapidly.

BTW, I wasn't suggesting that all workers were represented in the BLS figures, I was just using it as an example of a large sample group as opposed to a small sampling.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Well, we just risked the last 8 years to a complete nincompoop, I seriously
doubt ANY woman could be worse than he was.

In my humble opinion.

I couldn't agree more!!! This sums up the entire situation in a nutshell.

Marigold: Good for you, starting this thread. I think you've got something here!! I would vote for Hilary in a heartbeat!!