Thanks for the apology - especially about the rotten schnauzers. Our first one, Sam, got a CD and not in a specialized trial. He also did it in only 3 legs. We never entered the other dogs because it really wasn't that important to us and also our job hours involved working so many weekends that we couldn't attend shows. Now that we are both retired we are considering entering our new baby Molly - she is a 6 month old miniature schnauzer who comes when called, sits, downs, waits and is working hard at heel and stay. She already stays for a couple of minutes but obviously that isn't long enough. She also can retrieve either a frisbee or ball and drop it so we can throw it again. Thank goodness - we're getting too old to chase her!! Maybe the reason Schnauzer owners are stooped over when training is the dogs are so little - I've told many trainers the next dog I got would be at least waist high!! It is really hard to train when stooped over. I have had to take time out to sit down sometimes because I was getting dizzy!! Once they get it down, 'tho, they are great little dogs!!