Disabled person in Wal-Mart thrown out!

**mike001** · 02-20-2007, 03:22 PM

Nobody is talking about "legal" anything. Everyone knows the three "legal" questions stores can ask, so please could we do without the links.
If the woman wasn't looking for trouble and her dog was in fact a SD then she could have shown proof as a matter of courtesy.
Sounds to me like she was on some kind of bandwagon to attract attention from what I read.
Our dogs have a black and red tag so it's evident to all that they are in fact service dogs.
I would never attract attention to myself the way this woman did, I would have pulled out my ID.
I always am interested in both sides of a story, the one sided ones always leave questions in my mind.
This story sounded fishy and I guess it was. My opinion.

**beeniesmom** · 02-20-2007, 03:37 PM

I didn't know that they couldn't ask for proof.
I think they people should have to provide proof...
If stores don't ask for proof then I'll start bringing mine wherever I go...
Just kidding.

**critter crazy** · 02-20-2007, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by beeniesmom

I didn't know that they couldn't ask for proof.
I think they people should have to provide proof...
If stores don't ask for proof then I'll start bringing mine wherever I go...
Just kidding.

That is a valid point! seems like proof should be necessary, other wise everybody would claim to have a Service dog, just so they could come in the stores!

**NicoleLJ** · 02-20-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by critter crazy

That is a valid point! seems like proof should be necessary, other wise everybody would claim to have a Service dog, just so they could come in the stores!

What should be and what is are two totally different points. Personally I think all Service Dogs should be Vested or harnessed. Sheena and I never go out into a business without her vest on. This is not just so people can see she is working but also so kids can see the difference and so can businesses. But this is an opinion only. The law is that they don't have to be. So what is and what should be is two totally different things.
Nicole

**NicoleLJ** · 02-20-2007, 03:56 PM

Also for those here who have not seen it this was all discussed in a very similar thread. All the legal points along with links to official info are in this thread:

http://www.petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=122240

Nicole

**critter crazy** · 02-20-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by NicoleLJ

What should be and what is are two totally different points. Personally I think all Service Dogs should be Vested or harnessed. Sheena and I never go out into a business without her vest on. This is not just so people can see she is working but also so kids can see the difference and so can businesses. But this is an opinion only. The law is that they don't have to be. So what is and what should be is two totally different things.
Nicole

all I was trying to say, is maybe they should change the laws! I know the difference between what is and what should be!

**mike001** · 02-20-2007, 03:58 PM

Yes and you'd be surprised at how many do. That's why we have to have tags for our dogs and if we put their cape on there are plastic windows on each side to slide your ID in. In my opinion if you have nothing to hide, why make a big deal out of "legal" mumbo jumbo. Owner trained dogs are not recognized in most parts of Canada and never in Quebec. PSYCH dogs are also not recognized for the simple reason that there are psychyatrists to work with these disabilities. Our dogs do have to pass an access rights test before being qualified. To each his own I guess, but I totally approve of asking for ID. Not any worse than being asked for ID to get in a bar.

**NicoleLJ** · 02-20-2007, 04:04 PM

OK Mike I am sooo sick of you posting false information and never backing it up. People she did th esame thing in the other thread and was proven false there to. Go look at teh other thread to see.

Psychiatric Service Dogs (PSD, what my Sheena is) are now starting to be recognized in Canada. The first PSD has been officially certified by a trainer and there are two training facilities in Canada for PSD. For PROOF read this letter from the Accessability Directorate of Ontario

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oATZRYK...oBlankname.pdf

Canada does not require certifaction or tags. Only a doctors note. Says so right in the letter. Also says Service Dog s for Mental Disabilities have as much rights as all ht eothers. And Service Dogs do not have to be from a facility they can be owner trained. Which is why only a doctor or nurses note is required. Do your research please or provide proof to back up your claims. I did. I provided an official letter to back me up. Can you? I am sick of your lies and posting lies about the laws. It is people like you that make access harder for people who have Servcie dogs.
Nicole

**mike001** · 02-20-2007, 04:17 PM

GEEEESH----I don't care what the laws are where you are. In Canada each town, city or district pass their own by-laws. Please stop with the legal mumbo jumbo. I don't go around collecting data or links to prove stuff. I'm here to discuss things. You aren't giving mental illnesses a very fair chance with your rudeness.
I was chatting with other members about what we believed should be. No one asked for legalities or referees.
Do me a favor and bypass my posts when I am discussing with other members

**NicoleLJ** · 02-20-2007, 04:23 PM

You were stating things as law. And sorry but you are wrong. Each town or city does not make up their own requirements for Service dog laws. The Provinces do. Each province is different. If you had said "well I think it should be this way" in stead of saying it like "It is this way" tehn that would be different. But you didn't. You posted it as fact. You posted about PSD's as if you knew fact about them when I have shwon proof that you don't. Proof that I have shown you many many times. Stop saying things about service dogs and the laws as fact and I will stop correcting you. Until then I will continue to make sure people get the proper facts and proof to back it up so that everyone knows the true legal aspect of it.

As for my disability you have no right to use that as a part of this conversation. Just because your constant lies make me mad and your constant posting about falsehoods about laws and non for profits upsets me has nothing to do with my disability and how it looks to others. If they had any idea of how long i have been dealing with you and your posting of false info on forums they would know why I am so sick of it.
Nicole

**NicoleLJ** · 02-20-2007, 03:51 PM

Since not all Service dogs are certified or have 'tags" then one reason she didn't provide any could have been because she didn't have any. So Saying she should have provided it out of courtousy is ludicrous. You have no idea if she even had any to begin with and since legally she doesn't have to have any it does not matter if they asked for it. They can't legally ask for it.
Nicole