Run Hillary Run- bumper sticker thread

**caseysmom** · 02-15-2007, 02:08 PM

Well my point is there are lots of the past presidents that were considered great and that did many good things for this country and they were not always faithful to their wives. I think its easier for people to point that out than to one by one systematically address the issues. It just seems like an easy way out to me.

**caseysmom** · 02-15-2007, 02:09 PM

by the way bm thanks for brining this thread back, there is absolutely nothing heated here.

**borzoimom** · 02-15-2007, 02:11 PM

Virginia has had I believe more presidents than any other state- and yes- especially the ones in the beginning well things were uh different.. ( LIke Jefferson..whom everyone adored in this state.)
The point of this thread was to be a bi-partisian bumper sticker.. Take your pick- front or back..

**caseysmom** · 02-15-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by borzoimom

The point of this thread was to be a bi-partisian bumper sticker.. Take your pick- front or back..

Neither, I think bumper stickers are tacky.

**sparks19** · 02-15-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by caseysmom

Neither, I think bumper stickers are tacky.

Have you seen this trend of painting all the windows on your car? I have nver seen it before I moved here to PA. Everyone here has stuff painted all over their car windows..... including the rear window. How can that not affect your view through your mirror.

I kinda like the magnet one though. BUT they fall off in the car wash

**JenBKR** · 02-15-2007, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by sparks19

Have you seen this trend of painting all the windows on your car? I have nver seen it before I moved here to PA. Everyone here has stuff painted all over their car windows..... including the rear window. How can that not affect your view through your mirror.

hmm must not be on my side of PA - I haven't seen that (other than high school seniors on the last day of school, that is a tradition).

**caseysmom** · 02-15-2007, 02:23 PM

I haven't seen that sparks, and yes I had a magnet for years until it fell apart.

**sparks19** · 02-15-2007, 02:38 PM

Yes Bobsdad I have seen those. I think those are kinda cool cause you can actually see right through them.

but here in Lancaster everyone paints words all over their windows. Deaths, celebrations, sports teams.... everything lol. I guess it must just be a lancaster county thing. I have never seen it anywhere else.... just here.

Especially when the hershey bears went to the Calder Cup. EVERYONE had their windows painted up. They just take a brush and some sort of water soluable paint and just paint up their windows.

I have even seen people driving around with RIP Tom or whatever the persons name happens to be and then dates and other things all over the windows.

I have never seen anything like it before. I thought.... why would you want to paint on your car lol

**borzoimom** · 02-15-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by caseysmom

Neither, I think bumper stickers are tacky.

I have dog magnets on my van and these like stained glass on the inside- but I do not put stickers on the bumpers- as this changes the value of your vehicle should you trade it in. ( it will show a sunlight mark)
I uh have been known to tape on the inside of windows.. lol..

**Pembroke_Corgi** · 02-15-2007, 02:55 PM

I know that many people hate Hilary for different reasons, but I don't see how she is any different from other politicians, yet people seem to hate her more. I can only assume it's because she's a woman, and therefore whatever she does (or doesn't do) is subject to more ridicule.

As for health care, I think socialized health care is a MUCH better solution than anything that this administration has managed to come up with. Which was what- tell people to save up their own money? Let's see, if you make minimum wage, you can use you $500 tax return on 5 mins in the ER.

**sparks19** · 02-15-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pembroke_Corgi

I know that many people hate Hilary for different reasons, but I don't see how she is any different from other politicians, yet people seem to hate her more. I can only assume it's because she's a woman, and therefore whatever she does (or doesn't do) is subject to more ridicule.

As for health care, I think socialized health care is a MUCH better solution than anything that this administration has managed to come up with. Which was what- tell people to save up their own money? Let's see, if you make minimum wage, you can use you $500 tax return on 5 mins in the ER.

AH yes but remember.....

You may be paying for it right now but if they socialize medicine your taxes will have to sky rocket. After all, they have to pay for it somehow and it certainly isn't going to come out of their pockets. it's going to come out of yours. Like I said, in Ontario they tax almost half of your pay cheque and then you pay an extra 15% sales tax on everything you buy.... including nessecities. So those people on minimum wage that can't afford health care now will not be able to afford to live because the government is going to tax them out the wazoo. We are experiencing this exact problem in ontario right now. Minimum wage people can't afford to live because for one they make minimum wage and two the governemtn is taking over 50% of their money in pay cheque taxes and sales taxes. You must pay taxes on food and clothing too. 15%. Oh sorry.... it's 14% now that harper is in parliment. and they STILL can't afford the health care system. So it really isn't that much better a solution. Either way the people that can't afford it are still going to be paying for it.... except NOW you will paying for it whether you are using their services or not.

**borzoimom** · 02-15-2007, 04:40 PM

yup!!!

**Pembroke_Corgi** · 02-15-2007, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by sparks19

AH yes but remember.....

You may be paying for it right now but if they socialize medicine your taxes
will have to sky rocket. After all, they have to pay for it somehow and it certainly isn't going to come out of their pockets. it's going to come out of yours. Like I said, in Ontario they tax almost half of your pay cheque and then you pay an extra 15% sales tax on everything you buy.... including nessecities. So those people on minimum wage that can't afford health care now will not be able to afford to live because the government is going to tax them out the wazoo. We are experiencing this exact problem in ontario right now. Minimum wage people can't afford to live because for one they make minimum wage and two the governemtn is taking over 50% of their money in pay cheque taxes and sales taxes. You must pay taxes on food and clothing too. 15%. Oh sorry.... it's 14% now that harper is in parliment. and they STILL can't afford the health care system. So it really isn't that much better a solution. Either way the people that can't afford it are still going to be paying for it.... except NOW you will paying for it whether you are using their services or not.

Have you ever heard the saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?" This is true in the health care industry- meaning, people who can't afford to see a doctor wait until their symptoms/problem are way more difficult and costly to cure. This adds strain on our health care system- as does administrative costs associated with different insurances, etc. According to this source, administrative costs could account for nearly 24% of total health care costs.

And actually, the USA spends the MOST money of any country in the world on health care per capita. And as for the problem of low-wage earners being taxed, well, the solution is simple: tax the rich more than the poor. They have the "bigger piece" of that pie that is supposed to trickle down somehow so that's one way. Also, I read an article that health care premiums have risen about 5,000% in the last ten years, so I'm not really worried about being taxed- the premiums are just as high if not higher. Plus, that way ALL Americans could be covered, not just ones with cushy jobs.