MAN I should have answered Bob's Dad last night. I didn't read this whole thread but I think that is silly that the other thread was deleted. there was absolutely nothing wrong with the other thread. it was a clean and clear exchange of ideas.

bob's Dad I read your post but I can't remember everything in it so I will answer what I remember

For one thing.... I should reword myself. Rather than say she thinks she is smarter than everyone else I should have said that I get the impression that she thinks she knows better for me than I do. She knows how to handle my money better than I do. I just really disagree with anyone in politics that thinks they know better than I do. It just makes me feel like they think I am a worthless peon and need to be told what to do with my family and my money.

As for sociallized medicine..... Of course it is probably different all over Canada I can only comment on my experiences in London and Kitchener Ontario. I have just seen such a down spiral in the health care system in past years. My grandmother had liver cancer 15 years ago. she was treated wonderfully and managed to live another 2 years with this disease. that hardly every happens these days. Medical practioners just do not want to do the tests for these diseases unless they have to. My sister in laws mother had stomach cancer and the Dr kept insisting it was ulcers and nothing more. He wouldn't do the tests even though she requested them because his ulcer treatments were not helping.

there are absolutely NO family Dr's taking patients in London. not one. If you need a Dr and you don't already have a family Dr you must go to a walk in clinic and wait for hours to be seen by the clinic Dr. these Drs see so many patients everyday and seem to have a "get em in get em out" attitude because they have so many people that need to be seen. there are just no Dr's. I was "lucky" to get the family Dr I did. Of course there is a reason she is taking patients.... because she loses so many patients due to her lack of care. She just wants the money she gets from prescribing certain drugs than to actually look at the problem. I have never once had a correct diagnosis from this Dr.... nor has anyone else I know that see's her. I had mono once and she told me it was tonsilitis and gave me pennicillian. Had I not known I had mono and gone out and played a sport or had something hit me in my stomach I could have ruptured an organ. Instead I had to go to the hospital and wait 12 hours.... yes 12 hours. I hurt my knee in wrestling and she told me it was all in my mind. I finally forked out the dough to see a specialist (specialists aren't covered under OHIP) I had torn my ACL, my cartilege and the miniscus. and many other things . Of course this is a bad example of Dr's in the area. Not all are as uncaring and unprofessional as this woman. In fact I can't believe she still has a practice. But they won't take away her license because they are so desperate for family Dr's.

A woman can't even get in for a Pap test without waiting at least 6 months. You are best to schedule your next pap test just after you have your last one.... if the Dr will allow you to schedule so far in advanced.

Every year they have to make more cuts to the medical system. they have to close down wings of hospitals, get rid of so many Dr's and nurses. they even closed down an entire hospital in London because the funding just wasn't there. They can't raise taxes more.... we already pay out the wazoo. I would lost about $400+ dollars per $1000 pay chq (that is every two weeks not every week) then I have to pay 15% sales tax on everythign I buy. that includes food and clothing.

It really is in shambles and in London it really is as bad as I am portraying. Ontario was voted the worst place to be treated if you have a terminal illness.

it worked for a while but like everything the government does.... it fell apart.

Yes it's nice to see people with intentions.... but we all know what the road to h*ll is paved with. I want someone who has a PLAN. who knows exactly what they want to do and has a detailed plan on how they will carry this out and how it will work. of course, it's not just hillary.... I haven't seen a candidate in years that has had a real plan for anything. because they know people will vote on their false promises.

I will try to look for transcripts on the internet of some of Hillary's interviews (I don't know what to call them, but basically they are speeches she has made to the press) This is where I have based my opinion of her. although I am not sure where I can look to find these. If anyone knows where I could find them let me know

Edited to add: I also really disagree with her views on the war. YES, something needs to change but her idea is just silly and I fear it will put us in grave danger. she wants to "open a dialogue" with the leaders of these terrorist groups and the leaders of these countries. first of all, who does she think she is confronting? These people are not willing to reason. They cut the heads off of innocent citizens that have nothing to do with the war. many of you will say that we are bombing innocent people too.... do you know why? because those coward terrorists hide among civilians FOR THAT PURPOSE. They have been murdering their civilians long before we came along. they don't CARE. The Iranian president has made it clear that he wants to basically take over the world. if you don't believe what they believe you must die.... and suffer. I have never been face to face with a terrorist but my husband has. many times. So yes this is second hand but I trust my husbands judgement above all others. he has stood face to face with these people. He has seen them brutally and savagely murder their own people. They were required to try to "reason" with these people and were not allowed to use deadly force unless they shot FIRST. he has seen the rape, the murder, the torture these terrorists put on their own people and on our people. They are beyond "reason". I fear that this kind of attitude will only make the placate us so we back off and then they will bring it here. i personally don't want that. this way of thinking is dangerous IMO. Something needs to change but reasoning is not the answer. You can't reason with someone who is willing to die just to kill as many others as possible.