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[sparks19]

Bob's Dad I correct myself.... it is actually Ontario that has the terribly failing system. I think it was in Canada and the US, ontario was the worst place to be treated.

Here is another article. thank goodness McGuinty didn't last long in office
http://ontariondp.com/mcguinty-faili...fe-health-care

[Daisy and Delilah]

Call me crazy or just plain dumb here. After reading those articles, I see that Canada, at least, is trying to have a definite structured plan. At least Canada is trying to be organized. Around here, all I see are doctors offices with doctors holding their hands out and taking every penny they can get their hands on. Just as fast as they can possibly collect it. I don't see a great deal of followup care or compassion going on either.

As it stands, I'm already waiting forever to get into a specialist if any kind. I'm still trying to figure out how it could get much worse than we already have it in the US. It's normally a glorified cattle drive situation in my area. I always wonder what happened to the older types of doctors. Nobody seems to care anymore and I'm not the only person here that feels like this. It's very widespread.

There's no such thing as good medical care here, as far as I can tell. We have learned to do with what we have. The only thing that medical offices are good at down here is collecting your money in due time. They seem to have great efficiency if funds aren't received immediately Maybe this is just a situation in the state of Florida--I'm not sure but I would love to know if anyone living in the US feels the same way about their area.

Sorry if this sounds like I'm rambling worse than usual. I need sleep

[sparks19]

Try Try Try. Like I said before.... the road to h*ll is paved with good intentions.

perhaps the government here should regulate what and how much Dr's can charge and they should also regulate how much someone can get from a malpractice suit. malpractice hand outs go down.... insurance goes down.... dr's fees go down. Nobody deserves Millions and millions of dollars for a mistake.... unless of course that mistake has cost you something very serious and there is NO doubt that it was caused by that mistake and could not be prevented any other way. But like I said.... I never heard of millions of dollars giving someone their leg back... or their life back. Medical expenses should be enough and missed work time. But these people that sue for millions because they had a cold that turned into bronchitis or because they had a cut that got infected.... ridiculous. Perhaps that is where you should start looking if you want to cut down medical costs.

giving it away for "free" is only going to result in greater debt for the country.... much higher taxes for EVERYONE rich and poor.... and eventually it will get too expensive for even taxes to pay for. Medicine is advancing more and more everyday. to accomodate the new costs like machines, more Dr's, new tests, better lab equipment they are goin to have to either hike taxes more and more and more or start charging again.

You are waiting forever for specialist care now? Imagine how long you will wait when every Tom Dick and Harry is seeking out medical advice for a pimple, or a sniffle, or a bruise. That's what comes with "free" health care.

[Ceph]

I thought I would post my own little thing about healthcare.

First a few numbers = Italy is considered in the top ten of healthcare while the US is only 37 in the WHO ranks....you know what though....thats CRAP.

My grandmother was born, raised, and lives in Italy, and is now in her late eighties. A few years ago she decided it would be a good idea to go running after a guy who stole her purse. She collapsed and was taken into a hospital where they proceeded to put a pacemaker in.....a pacemaker that was promptly turned off when she came to the states to visit us...she didnt need it...and while she now has a get out of jail free card when it comes to airport security, I have no idea why she had to be put through that.

More so than that, the hospitals are in bad conditions - there arent enough doctors because their medical school sucks, and because they arent getting paid enough they dont care as much. There arent enough nurses for the same reason. And they dont have the same health standards there either.

I frequent Europe on a regular basis...and I cant say I am very impressed with these socialized/nationalized systems...I see that those who have the money and means to come to the states do come to see doctors here because they dont trust their own nations healthcare. I know that, with maybe the exception of switzerland (because they are so dang tight and concise and Picky about everything) I would never go to a european hospital....having been in some as an observer I have kind of gotten this frightening perspective.

The problem with malpractice is not only do the doctors loose alot of money...they loose their credibility...and with their credibility goes their jobs....no kind of regulation of price will change that. My Uncle Ben had to stop practicing because some jerk decided he had done something wrong - in court Uncle Ben came out smelling like a rose...but because he was in a malpractice suit period he lost his credibility and his patients...It was a pity...he was one of the top eye docs in DC. My Uncle Max has been a little more shrewed...and thank goodness - he is one of the top eye surgeons at home as well. I hate malpractice (but at the same time I understand it for reasons)....I just cant imagine the number of good doctors who have been hacked off from their proffession because someone wanted a little extra money.

As far as taxing the richer more than the poor....hec, my family is towards the lower middle half of the pay bracket...and I know I for sure will be when I start completley paving my own way after graduation (the goverment pays its service members soooo well(hack ::sarcasm:: cough); and I think everyone should get taxed the same daggone way....the same percentage accross the board. Its fair that way...I dont begrudge those who had more drive then me to do something better or different....who had talents in other sections than I did....whatever....it's stupid to be jealous of those who have more than me...if they want to donate money to some charity...thats cool - but you shouldnt force them to support everyone else.

just my two cents.

[sparks19]

Just out of curiousity... if Canada's Health care system is sooo awful, why do they maintain one of the highest life expectancies (about 80 years) and lowest infant morality rates of industrialized countries.

Usually countries with such deplorable health systems have very low life expectancies and an extremely high infant mortality rates.

Just a question...

apparently we are just healthy people all that cold freezes the germs lol.

I can't say but we WERE voted the worst place to live if you have a possibly terminal illness because you just can't get the care you need. I will see if I can find an article on that but again I don't know where to look.

My grandmother and Grandfather are both over 85 BUT thank goodness neither one has had any serious illness to contend with. My great grandmother was the same way. Sharp as a tack till the day she died.

Plus, most elderly people have to seek out the care of a specialist for any kind of specific treatment... specialists are not covered under OHIP. Specialists DO get to charge and if you don't have benefits you must pay them, the government doesn't. so that could be another reason. although my grandmother could have to have a hip replactment.... she sees and orthopedic Dr, OHIP doesn't cover him and she still has to wait 2 years for the replacement because they can't get an OR, they are all booked until then.... although at her age I don't really see the point... the surgery will be far more detrimental to her health than not having it I assume at her age.

Basically unless it is an EMERGENCY you can't get any kind of scheduled surgery in under a year.

it's general practitioners that are the real problem... we don't have enough and the ones we do have don't care. but they pump you full of antibiotics so that must count for something.