Run Hillary Run- bumper sticker thread

[Daisy and Delilah]

First of all, I have to say that I'm with you Dan(BOBS DAD), on everything you've said so far. Especially, your comment about the last six years of disaster we've experienced in this country. You've made many good points, as always.

Just a question.......if Hillary isn't a good choice, who are some of you looking at as a good choices in the upcoming election? Why are these choices good? I didn't vote for George Bush either time and I want to make sure I educate myself in every way again this time.

I don't intend to hijack this thread. I'm reading that Hillary is not so popular for reasons mentioned. I just wonder who everyone feels is the best candidate. Feedback appreciated

[caseysmom]

Bob's dad I totally agree with you, lets argue issues at hand not morality or the candidates marital issues.

[borzoimom]

In the position as President- morality would matter alot! It shows how someone sees the laws- or is it just " hairs to split". I would more so vote for a candiate that was divorced than one that uh supported incidences that goes against the "structure" of what we call "marriage".. Thats also why whats-his-name is under so much fire now- he is a Morman- that has many beliefs different than the " common" man such as multiple wives etc..

[caseysmom]

Well my point is there are lots of the past presidents that were considered great and that did many good things for this country and they were not always faithful to their wives. I think its easier for people to point that out than to one by one systematically address the issues. It just seems like an easy way out to me.

[caseysmom]

by the way bm thanks for brining this thread back, there is absolutely nothing heated here.

[borzoimom]

Virginia has had I believe more presidents than any other state- and yes- especially the ones in the beginning well things were uh different.. ( LIke Jefferson..whom everyone adored in this state.)
The point of this thread was to be a bi-partisian bumper sticker.. Take your pick- front or back..

[caseysmom]

The point of this thread was to be a bi-partisian bumper sticker.. Take your pick- front or back..

Neither, I think bumper stickers are tacky.

[sparks19]

Neither, I think bumper stickers are tacky.

Have you seen this trend of painting all the windows on your car? I have nver seen it before I moved here to PA. Everyone here has stuff painted all over their car windows..... including the rear window. How can that not affect your view through your mirror.

I kinda like the magnet one though. BUT they fall off in the car wash

[borzoimom]

Neither, I think bumper stickers are tacky.

I have dog magnets on my van and these like stained glass on the inside- but I do not put stickers on the bumpers- as this changes the value of your vehicle should you trade it in. ( it will show a sunlight mark)
I uh have been known to tape on the inside of windows.. lol..

[Grace]

In the position as President- morality would matter alot! It shows how someone sees the laws- or is it just " hairs to split". I would more so vote for a candiate that was divorced than one that uh supported incidences that goes against the "structure" of what we call "marriage".. Thats also why whats-his-name is under so much fire now- he is a Morman- that has many beliefs different than the " common" man such as multiple wives etc..

Mitt Romney is his name, and he is a Mormon. The Mormons have not practiced plural marriages for over 100 years. Yes, there are some off-shoots from the LDS that do it, but they are ostracized by main stream Mormons, and some of them are arrested for their practices.

Romney's problems right now stem from his flipping and flopping all over the place about abortion and gays. When he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002, he said this about abortion-

'I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one," Romney wrote in answer to a NARAL questionnaire during the campaign. ''Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's. The truth is, no candidate in the governor's race in either party would deny women abortion rights. So let's end this argument that does not exist and stop the cynical, divisive attacks made only for political gain."

Now he's saying he was ALWAYS pro-life. Then he supported civil unions, at least, for gays. Now he is backing off that.

Once I thought he would be a great candidate - now I have no respect for him. He will say anything to get elected.

[borzoimom]

scary isnt it??? Maybe we should make bumper stickers of all the candiates- and let the decide front or back.
thank you for providing his name- I am sorry- I forgot it... The field is LOADED AT THIS point..

[sparks19]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...BNStory/cancer

Here is one article.... there are more but they are in PDF form and for some reason I can't get the pages to open. I just get a blank screen.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...BNStory/cancer

Also, I should change my wording.... it really isn't Canada's health system... it is Ontario's OHIP. The Ontario health insurance policy that is failing. Of course I only have experience with Ontario's socialized medicine and it seems to be the worst in all of Canada.

BTW, if you are having trouble following my train of thought have no fear... did you know that a pregnant womans brain can shrink up to 8% during pregnancy. it's a good excuse I think


This is an interesting "letter to the editor"

notice he says that this kind of health care system is just not feasible in this day and age. but I think he makes a good point about making practioners responsible for their fees.

[sparks19]

Bob's Dad I correct myself.... it is actually Ontario that has the terribly failing system. I think it was in Canada and the US, ontario was the worst place to be treated.

Here is another article. thank goodness McGuinty didn't last long in office
http://ontariondp.com/mcguinty-faili...fe-health-care

[Daisy and Delilah]

Call me crazy or just plain dumb here. After reading those articles, I see that Canada, at least, is trying to have a definite structured plan. At least Canada is trying to be organized. Around here, all I see are doctors offices with doctors holding their hands out and taking every penny they can get their hands on. Just as fast as they can possibly collect it. I don't see a great deal of followup care or compassion going on either.

As it stands, I'm already waiting forever to get into a specialist if any kind. I'm still trying to figure out how it could get much worse than we already have it in the US. It's normally a glorified cattle drive situation in my area. I always wonder what happened to the older types of doctors. Nobody seems to care anymore and I'm not the only person here that feels like this. It's very widespread.

There's no such thing as good medical care here, as far as I can tell. We have learned to do with what we have. The only thing that medical offices are good at down here is collecting your money in due time. They seem to have great efficiency if funds aren't received immediately Maybe this is just a situation in the state of Florida--I'm not sure but I would love to know if anyone living in the US feels the same way about their area.

Sorry if this sounds like I'm rambling worse than usual. I need sleep

[sparks19]

Just out of curiousity... if Canada's Health care system is sooo awful, why do they maintain one of the highest life expectancies (about 80 years) and lowest infant morality rates of industrialized countries.

Usually countries with such deplorable health systems have very low life expectancies and an extremely high infant mortality rates.

Just a question...

apparently we are just healthy people all that cold freezes the germs lol.

I can't say but we WERE voted the worst place to live if you have a possibly terminal illness because you just can't get the care you need. I will see if I can find an article on that but again I don't know where to look.

My grandmother and Grandfather are both over 85 BUT thank goodness neither one has had any serious illness to contend with. My great grandmother was the same way. Sharp as a tack till the day she died.

Plus, most elderly people have to seek out the care of a specialist for any kind of specific treatment... specialists are not covered under OHIP. Specialists DO get to charge and if you don't have benefits you must pay them, the government doesn't. so that could be another reason. although my grandmother could have to have a hip replactment.... she sees and orthopedic Dr, OHIP doesn't cover him and she still has to wait 2 years for the replacement because they can't get an OR, they are all booked until then.... although at her age I don't really see the point... the surgery will be far more detrimental to her health than not having it I assume at her age.

Basically unless it is an EMERGENCY you can't get any kind of scheduled surgery in under a year.

it's general practitioners that are the real problem... we don't have enough and the ones we do have don't care. but they pump you full of antibiotics so that must count for something.