Run Hillary Run- bumper sticker thread

[animal_rescue]

Aww I love Hillary and so do over half the girls in my high school.

[sparks19]

Why do I dislike Hillary?

She is all about taking from the mediocre and giving to the poor as long as you don't take her stuff or her money. Of course I think taking money from anyone to give to anyone is terrible. yes there is a poverty problem but taking money from those who are just barely getting along and have worked VERY hard for their money is not exactly a tip top solution. And you can't punish people for being successful.

As for the war, yes something else needs to be done but she wants to "open up a dialogue" and "reason with these people" UM I would like to see that. She is only going to make it worse than it already is. You can't reason with people that DON'T reason. They are kidnapping our citizens and chopping their heads of on film to show on tv. Yes sounds like they are up for opening a dialogue

She just thinks she is so much smarter than everyone else and I hate that holier than thou attitude. I am not against voting for a democrat if their ideas are the best but she is certainly not in that running.

By the way, she is also for socialized medicine. If done right it can be a great thing.... however, the government never does anything right. Look at Canada. Sure we get "free" health care. In Ontario we pay 15% sales tax as well as federal income taxes on our pay cheques. The government gets our money when we make it and when we spend it. The health care system there is in shambles. Ontario was voted the worst place to be if you have to be treated for Cancer. Treatments are so backed up that people aren't getting the treatment they n eed until it is too late.

My brother had to have total reconstructive knee surgery. He had to wait almost 2 years JUST to get the MRI. then had to wait another year to get the surgery. Hospitals are losing more and more beds each year because they can't pay enough Dr's and nurses. It is not uncommon to wait in an ER at any given time at any given hospital for over 10 hours before you even get a room. once you get a room you must wait more hours before you can even see a student Dr. then you have to wait another hour or so for them to check with their cheif resident.

the healthcare system is in a terrible state and everyone thinks it is perfect because it is "free". The fact is it is NOT free, you pay for it before hand with outrageous taxes. People pay for it with their lives every year because they can't be treated because there aren't enough Dr's, enough space and enough machines.

Hillary thinks this kind of healthcare is the answer..... it is NOT.

There are far better candidates than her.
I want the front bumper sticker

[borzoimom]

Socialized medicine here would be as big a mess - if not more so.. Its hard enough to deal with an insurance company, but make our health in government hands- I would have been dead by now..
As it is by insurance I had to have two previous surgeries before the last one- and the last one ended up on an emergency basis- ..
The rest- I will leave alone- I do not like the morality with her, or back tracking either- Senator- fine- -PRESIDENT- nooooooo way!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Last year I was hospitalized. I entered the hospital on an emergency basis on Thursday afternoon. I left (ama) Saturday morning at 7:30. I had treatments but no sugery. I also had some tests in the emergency room. I spent the rest of the time in a bed hooked up to some ivs. As it was an intestinal infection, I had no food.

My bill....$15,000.

I know that because I asked for a copy of my bill (not that I could understand it.) Normally, I would simply be told my deductible and the bill sent to my insurance carrier.

Yes, I have insurance so I did not pay $15,000.

What does someone do who does NOT have insurance? I can assure you if I had known what it would cost I would have refused admittance.

Right now the federal minimum wage (yes, some states it is higher and congress is considering raising it) is $5.15 per hour. That means my two day hospital stay cost about 1.5 times the annual income of a minimum wage earner. The very people most likely to be uninsured.

That sounds to me like a system that is broken. I don't know what the right solution is to the problem but is cannot go on the way it is. It is not good for the health of America or the health of Americans.

[JenBKR]

That sounds to me like a system that is broken. I don't know what the right solution is to the problem but is cannot go on the way it is. It is not good for the health of America or the health of Americans.

I completely agree. Our health care system is a mess, and something needs to be done. I don't know what, but I hope our next president can figure something out......

[sparks19]

Edwina, just be glad you were able to have your tests in a timely fashion. With socialized medicine they will only give you the ones they deem absolutely nessecary and schedule for the rest at their "earliest available date" which is usually a year down the road.
I do not have health insurance here. I am currently pregnant and will have to see Dr's and give birth eventually. I am paying the bill out of my pocket. But we don't have to pay it all at once. We will pay a certain amount each month. BUT at least my Dr cares.

I was pregnant once before.... a few years ago. My Dr refused for a while to even give me a test until I had missed two periods. I became very ill and she insisted that it was all in my head...... I lost my baby because my Dr didn't care. She wasn't getting paid extra to give me special care so she figured she wouldn't. I finally had to go to a womens clinic and have them schedule me for an ultra sound only to find it was too late. My baby was not growing, I was too ill to continue even trying to carry my baby and I had to have an emergency termination. I am not saying this could have been prevented had my Dr cared enough to do the extra tests but you never know.

Yes health care everywhere is a mess. Anything run by government is a bigger mess. I don't know what the best solution is either but I know it isn't socialized medicine. People can't afford to pay the thousands upon thousands that a hospital stay can cost but many people ALSO can not afford the thousands upon thousands that they lose by the increased income tax AND inflated sales tax that socialized medicine costs.

Edited to add:
If medicine in the US becomes socialized you will also lose MANY Dr's and nurses because they can't make money. They will leave to other places where they can charge for everything again. That's what happened in Ontario. That is why it takes so long to get any care. The dr's couldn't make money so they moved their practice to somewhere that they could. Then we will be in the same predicament if not worse than we are now.

[CathyBogart]

That sounds to me like a system that is broken. I don't know what the right solution is to the problem but is cannot go on the way it is. It is not good for the health of America or the health of Americans.

A few months ago my boyfriend was hospitalized for UNDER TWO HOURS and the bill was $8,000. Diagnosis? A scraped knee. We are going to be in debt paying this off for at least two years, over A SCRAPED KNEE.

[Daisy and Delilah]

First of all, I have to say that I'm with you Dan(BOBS DAD), on everything you've said so far. Especially, your comment about the last six years of disaster we've experienced in this country. You've made many good points, as always.

Just a question.......if Hillary isn't a good choice, who are some of you looking at as a good choices in the upcoming election? Why are these choices good? I didn't vote for George Bush either time and I want to make sure I educate myself in every way again this time.

I don't intend to hijack this thread. I'm reading that Hillary is not so popular for reasons mentioned. I just wonder who everyone feels is the best candidate. Feedback appreciated

[caseysmom]

Bob's dad I totally agree with you, lets argue issues at hand not morality or the candidates marital issues.

[borzoimom]

In the position as President- morality would matter alot! It shows how someone sees the laws- or is it just " hairs to split". I would more so vote for a candiate that was divorced than one that uh supported incidences that goes against the "structure" of what we call "marriage".. Thats also why whats-his-name is under so much fire now- he is a Morman- that has many beliefs different than the " common" man such as multiple wives etc..

[caseysmom]

Well my point is there are lots of the past presidents that were considered great and that did many good things for this country and they were not always faithful to their wives. I think its easier for people to point that out than to one by one systematically address the issues. It just seems like an easy way out to me.

[caseysmom]

by the way bm thanks for brining this thread back, there is absolutely nothing heated here.

[borzoimom]

Virginia has had I believe more presidents than any other state- and yes- especially the ones in the beginning well things were uh different.. ( LIke Jefferson..whom everyone adored in this state.)
The point of this thread was to be a bi-partisian bumper sticker.. Take your pick- front or back..

[Grace]

In the position as President- morality would matter alot! It shows how someone sees the laws- or is it just " hairs to split". I would more so vote for a candiate that was divorced than one that uh supported incidences that goes against the "structure" of what we call "marriage".. Thats also why whats-his-name is under so much fire now- he is a Morman- that has many beliefs different than the " common" man such as multiple wives etc..

Mitt Romney is his name, and he is a Mormon. The Mormons have not practiced plural marriages for over 100 years. Yes, there are some off-shoots from the LDS that do it, but they are ostracized by main stream Mormons, and some of them are arrested for their practices.

Romney's problems right now stem from his flipping and flopping all over the place about abortion and gays. When he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002, he said this about abortion-

'I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one," Romney wrote in answer to a NARAL questionnaire during the campaign. ''Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's. The truth is, no candidate in the governor's race in either party would deny women abortion rights. So let's end this argument that does not exist and stop the cynical, divisive attacks made only for political gain."

Now he's saying he was ALWAYS pro-life. Then he supported civil unions, at least, for gays. Now he is backing off that.

Once I thought he would be a great candidate - now I have no respect for him. He will say anything to get elected.

[borzoimom]

scary isnt it??? Maybe we should make bumper stickers of all the candiates- and let the decide front or back.
thank you for providing his name- I am sorry- I forgot it... The field is LOADED AT THIS point..