Staffs are they all vicious???

[borzoimom]

Michelle, in all due respect, you are a Terrier group judge, that is a blanket statement and very, very unlike you.

I am assuming based on years of knowing eachother that you are being very very general here. For the sake of keeping this thread informative as opposed to emotional.

Yea I know its unlike me as you know I believe dogs are indivuals with breed tendencies- however- I am just looking or reading report after report- time after time- of witness's that state they could not stop the attack. And yes- most of these reports were untrained dogs etc- but enough reports- they were well trained dogs- including my friends dog.
I do not really think there is answer in this subject. It does become emotional verses informative when having people face what they would do to stop this event from happening with themselves and their pet.
I am also rather surprised few have mentioned that " do nothing" was mentioned. Putting yourself into a dog fight- whether the prey is a dog or not is also a good way to get bit.. In working with dogs in kennels before, and my own group- most broke up the fight with loud yelling- stomping feet, realizing your energy can be transfered if you touch two fighting dogs. Yes - this is a swan. Grabbing the dog at the back of the neck is also a good way to get bit if you are not strong enough to hold down a energy and adrenile charged animal. While I am sorry for the swan- the person probably "egged" on the attack by beating the animal. Especially this breed- " high threshold for pain"..
Maybe its time to close this thread Karen?

[kittycats_delight]

You know i never bothered to reply after my initial post because I noticed the thread starter didn't really seem interested in the arguements the people for the staffie were giving she was only looking for the negatives. It actually seems this thread was not started to get the question 'Staffs are they all vicious?' answered at all it really seems it was started to get a heated debate or arguement if you like started...IMHO. I refuse to get involved in this tired debate and bashing party of any and all bully breeds...it is sickening and stupid. People who are against them are against them PERIOD and they don't want to hear people fight for the bully breed they don't want to listen to facts or expert opinion on the temperment of the dog or the problem of irresponible ownership. It is a waste of breath to try to talk to them as their opinion is set in stone. Blockheaded people drive me nuts...come on people open your minds...it is not the dogs...it is the owners.

Enough said I will not reply again. I just wanted to give my opinion of the whole debate thing.

I do agree that this thread needs to be closed.

[gwen]

I can hand on heart say that I really didnt expect such a large and vehement response from my question, as I have said previously I have only recently become a dog owner, so previously I really hadnt given any thought to these dogs, I have 4 children so most of my time has been consumed by them, I only asked as this has been my experience to date. I have read intently all your comments and yes I do agree that many owners are to blame for their dogs bad behaviour, I just wondered if staffs (we dont have pit bulls in england as they are a banned breed.) were naturally vicious, as most of you have ferociously argued they are not, I'm quite happy to accept that this is true but I had to ask the question.

[kittycats_delight]

I just wondered if staffs (we dont have pit bulls in england as they are a banned breed.) were naturally vicious, as most of you have ferociously argued they are not, I'm quite happy to accept that this is true but I had to ask the question.

I just want to make a comment on this. American Staffordshire Terriers are classed by the UKC as American Pitbull Terriers. So this Staffie you seen attacked the queen's swan is considered a pitbull and is banned as per your own comments. Therefore I guess this should tell you something about the owner right???