Mr. Biggles is being put to sleep tomorrow

[king2005]

I'm getting PMs aswell, so my posts will reflect on them as well.

Before we adopted the dogs, we had to fill out a few sheets. 1 question was what will we NOT tollerate in a dog. We wrote in huge words AGRESSION towards people!! As we do NOT tollerate it! The nipping was bad enough, but that was improving, so we put up with it... Then came the bite... i didn't know what to do so I came here & asked for advice, got good advice (remember I also got a lot of PMs for that too), reason Mr. Biggles was still with us after that bite!!

Now he has attacked & here are the 3 options PT has given me & heres what I have already posted, but don't think anyone is hearing me.

PT options
1. Return to Shelter
2. Rehome
3. Behavourist

What I've been trying to explain
1. He'll be PTS alone with strangers
2. Can't as stated in the contract
3. Chad is scared to death of him (I can't keep Mr. Biggles locked up for the rest of his life), so he cannot stay

I need to extend # 3 a little. I have made other Posts about Chad. There are several reason we didn't want agressive dogs & heres the biggest reason. A bad bite can KILL CHAD!! He can easly get flesheatting again & his immune system isn't top knotch as his cancer effects it a little, so healing from major things isn't easy for him... A nip or a scratch doesn't bother him too much... Hes had dogs before & never had issues with them (as in effect to his illness). But this bite was pretty bad. We have to watch is so closely cause the first sign of infection he has to be rushed to the ER.

[borzoimom]

Please read her post in general before judging her too harshly - they need our help, her, Chad and the dogs

I agree..
King- I understand.. And as stated- with all the loving pets that would never bite that needs homes-.. This does sound like an attack to me as I said because the dog held on..

[luvofallhorses]

Did the shelter you adopted from have a contract about bringing him back for whatever reason? poor Mr. Biggles. we have a contract at the shelter where I volunteer that the animals must be brought back to us for any reason they cannot keep them anymore. sadly, we have had a few dogs come back to us because they have bitten.

[king2005]

Catlady711 thank you for that.

[king2005]

Did the shelter you adopted from have a contract about bringing him back for whatever reason? poor Mr. Biggles. we have a contract at the shelter where I volunteer that the animals must be brought back to us for any reason they cannot keep them anymore. sadly, we have had a few dogs come back to us because they have bitten.

Yep, thats the contract I'm talking about. I have to state why I'm returning him & ONLY him, other wise we have to return both, & both will be PTS, as the dogs can only be returned so many times. We were their last chance (thats why I said we were giving them a 2ed chance, but really more).

[Cinder & Smoke]

Good GRIEF!


Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."

... it does seem to me like there is a lack of stability in the home environment.

"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

[gemini9961]

Amen Phred!

[dukedogsmom]

Good GRIEF!






"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

Chad dragged Bear down the stairs I feel the same way.

[Muddy4paws]

Good GRIEF!

Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."




"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

I'm glad someone said it! I find it hard to believe alot of these threads

[king2005]

Good GRIEF!


Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."




"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

It was deleted because of fighting.. After Karen removed a fight between 2 members (it was between those 2, not about my thread), I read a post & it brought up the fighting. I didn't read on, in fear it was gonna be another stupid fight all over again, so i just removed it to prevent another childish fight between 2 members.

The advice was great. I just wasn't able to share it with Chad before he had already gotten her down stairs... I do work, & I don't keep tabs on his doings the whole day. He did what he thought was right as she was starting to get upset at being up there (lots of crying). He was in front of her, holding her collar & scruff in order not to strangle her.. every few steps, he would stop, praise her & go down a few more, etc. She was spoiled rotten when they got to the bottom... He knew shes not to have too many treats, esp people food, due to her weight issue, but he knew he had scared her & wanted her to know she was still a good dog. He even took her behind the river to play with her (OMG you should see them play haha, he doesn't like being licked & Bear knows it.. so she'll be playing & the second his mouth is open & vonurable, she goes for the BIG lick haha.. he scream eww & then she tackles him while hes thinking about the slober in his mouth hahaha.. she wins every time hahaha, shes not stupid by all means hahaha)


EDIT: sorry my bad.. the fight started becasue of my thread yes, but that member attacked me with no cause & then a fight defending me droke out & 2 members started at each other... a couple of the members PMed me saying sorry, so i didn't think anyone else needed to reopen that war, aster the majority of the members fighting had already said sorry.

[areias]

He even took her behind the river to play with her (OMG you should see them play haha, he doesn't like being licked & Bear knows it.. so she'll be playing & the second his mouth is open & vonurable, she goes for the BIG lick haha.. he scream eww & then she tackles him while hes thinking about the slober in his mouth hahaha.. she wins every time hahaha, shes not stupid by all means hahaha)

It is this kind of behavior-screaming and encouraging a dog to tackle you that can cause problems.

I hate to say it, but I am truely disgusted by this thread. If advice will not be taken, I have nothing left to say. I have asked repeatedly what happened to make the dog bite, and the circumstances...you will not tell me. Most of us cannot help you, or see just why you are doing what you are doing if we don't know what happened. Something about a door and an "attack", that's all I got out of it. Exactly what happened that you don't want to tell us?

RIP Mr. Biggles...I hope your trip to the bridge is pain-free. I am deeply saddened by this.

[king2005]

It is this kind of behavior-screaming and encouraging a dog to tackle you that can cause problems.

I hate to say it, but I am truely disgusted by this thread. If advice will not be taken, I have nothing left to say. I have asked repeatedly what happened to make the dog bite, and the circumstances...you will not tell me. Most of us cannot help you, or see just why you are doing what you are doing if we don't know what happened. Something about a door and an "attack", that's all I got out of it. Exactly what happened that you don't want to tell us?

RIP Mr. Biggles...I hope your trip to the bridge is pain-free. I am deeply saddened by this.

Wrong kind of tackle... I'll try to explain it the best I can.
Bear LOVES to play tackle (we just call it tackle cause it looks like it).. She'll wack you with her front legs while shes all excited & wanting you to tap her side or butt (she'll dance if you get her, if you miss she wiggles & awooooooos at you) & well getting hit with a hard leg hurts & tickles the shins... so we fall over.. then shes goes into crazy wiggle mode & starts dancing & licking you all over.. she will NOT step on you (that would hurt a lot).. if you don't get back up, she'll show you how heavy her head can be on your face (shes a big kissy dog)

I already said what happend, theres nothing else to say my goodness.
If I missed something you posted I'm sorry, if you haven't noticed there are a lot of posts being posted & I'm trying to work & remember where i left on in this thread.. then type on top of that

[Catlady711]

Catlady711 thank you for that.

You're welcome.

I totally understand the legal liability & consequences that influence your decision.

Besides an ethical/reputable vet would never agree to PTS a healthy animal without extenuating circumstances, such as an attack/mauling. However in the interest of the safety of humans and other animals most will agree to do it in a case like this. They don't like doing it anymore than other people, but they also understand the legal liabilities and consequences of it. And most laws are designed to protect humans as well as other animals from such incidents.

On a side note, we recently had to PTS a dog that was agressive despite a loving home and good care it was getting now. It was a rescue foster dog from a troubled home and she was his last chance also. The catalist event that caused the owner to schedule this appointment was that the dog had killed another dog in the house. The owner was distraught at not only having to make a decision like that about this dog, but she'd seen the mauling happen and was horrified at watching the other dog die at the mouth of this one. She loved both dogs very much.

[applesmom]

Of all the posts insisting that mr Biggles should be re-homed, there wasn't even one poster who actually offered to take on the responsibility.

Everyone has perfectly valid reasons why they can't take in a dog that has a history of biting and being returned to the shelter more than once. Not to mention a dog whose bites have escalated to full on attacks. Yet as far as the nay sayers are concerned Jess's reasons are completely without merit and even cruel. Why are anyone elses reasons more credible than hers? The answer of course is because they're not living with the problem.

The real ones to blame here are Mr Biggles original owners who put up with his behavior and "worked around the problems" instead of taking responsible action to correct them. The same owners that dumped him after 8 years because "working around the problem" only made things worse until poor Mr. Biggles is now unfit to live in society.

To anyone that is convinced that Mr Biggles should be rehomed; most likely she would even pay the shipping to send him to you if you are willing and able to take on the responsibility. Do we hear any offers?

[DrKym]

Of all the posts insisting that mr Biggles should be re-homed, there wasn't even one poster who actually offered to take on the responsibility.

Everyone has perfectly valid reasons why they can't take in a dog that has a history of biting and being returned to the shelter more than once. Not to mention a dog whose bites have escalated to full on attacks. Yet as far as the nay sayers are concerned Jess's reasons are completely without merit and even cruel. Why are anyone elses reasons more credible than hers? The answer of course is because they're not living with the problem.

The real ones to blame here are Mr Biggles original owners who put up with his behavior and "worked around the problems" instead of taking responsible action to correct them. The same owners that dumped him after 8 years because "working around the problem" only made things worse until poor Mr. Biggles is now unfit to live in society.

To anyone that is convinced that Mr Biggles should be rehomed; most likely she would even pay the shipping to send him to you if you are willing and able to take on the responsibility. Do we hear any offers?

Very well said.

It is a tragic situation all around.