Mr. Biggles is being put to sleep tomorrow

[luvofallhorses]

I agree that some professional help might be in order for Mr. Biggles. I don't think it's fair to put him down because of this. IMO, it seems like you have given up on him.

sorry, but I agree.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Please read her post in general before judging her too harshly - they need our help, her, Chad and the dogs

[areias]

Please tell us, what happened before the dog attacked? We might be able to help you. The dog nipping you, and the dog attacking Chad could be two totally seperate issues. I can 95% guarantee that the dog used biting to get away from something. I call it a trigger...Chad did something that mr. biggles has experienced discomfort from before, and used his teeth.

Did you see the attack?

Has the dog seen the vet? Didn't you say somewhere that Mr. Biggles might be either hard of hearing or partially blind? I can't remember...

[borzoimom]

Please read her post in general before judging her too harshly - they need our help, her, Chad and the dogs

I agree..
King- I understand.. And as stated- with all the loving pets that would never bite that needs homes-.. This does sound like an attack to me as I said because the dog held on..

[Pam]

Perhaps I shouldn't even be posting because I haven't read prior threads about Mr. Biggles. Personally I could never keep a dog that attacked either myself or a family member. As a former vet once told me, "there are too many loving dogs languishing in shelters who will ultimately be PTS." In other words, why not give one of them a chance. This was his thinking on euthanizing a biting dog. It may sound simplistic but I sort of have to agree. In this particular case, it does seem to me like there is a lack of stability in the home environment. For that reason alone, I would suggest no more pets until the current situation changes.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Good GRIEF!


Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."

... it does seem to me like there is a lack of stability in the home environment.

"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

[gemini9961]

Amen Phred!

[dukedogsmom]

Good GRIEF!






"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

Chad dragged Bear down the stairs I feel the same way.

[Muddy4paws]

Good GRIEF!

Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."




"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

I'm glad someone said it! I find it hard to believe alot of these threads

[king2005]

Good GRIEF!


Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."




"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

It was deleted because of fighting.. After Karen removed a fight between 2 members (it was between those 2, not about my thread), I read a post & it brought up the fighting. I didn't read on, in fear it was gonna be another stupid fight all over again, so i just removed it to prevent another childish fight between 2 members.

The advice was great. I just wasn't able to share it with Chad before he had already gotten her down stairs... I do work, & I don't keep tabs on his doings the whole day. He did what he thought was right as she was starting to get upset at being up there (lots of crying). He was in front of her, holding her collar & scruff in order not to strangle her.. every few steps, he would stop, praise her & go down a few more, etc. She was spoiled rotten when they got to the bottom... He knew shes not to have too many treats, esp people food, due to her weight issue, but he knew he had scared her & wanted her to know she was still a good dog. He even took her behind the river to play with her (OMG you should see them play haha, he doesn't like being licked & Bear knows it.. so she'll be playing & the second his mouth is open & vonurable, she goes for the BIG lick haha.. he scream eww & then she tackles him while hes thinking about the slober in his mouth hahaha.. she wins every time hahaha, shes not stupid by all means hahaha)


EDIT: sorry my bad.. the fight started becasue of my thread yes, but that member attacked me with no cause & then a fight defending me droke out & 2 members started at each other... a couple of the members PMed me saying sorry, so i didn't think anyone else needed to reopen that war, aster the majority of the members fighting had already said sorry.

[areias]

He even took her behind the river to play with her (OMG you should see them play haha, he doesn't like being licked & Bear knows it.. so she'll be playing & the second his mouth is open & vonurable, she goes for the BIG lick haha.. he scream eww & then she tackles him while hes thinking about the slober in his mouth hahaha.. she wins every time hahaha, shes not stupid by all means hahaha)

It is this kind of behavior-screaming and encouraging a dog to tackle you that can cause problems.

I hate to say it, but I am truely disgusted by this thread. If advice will not be taken, I have nothing left to say. I have asked repeatedly what happened to make the dog bite, and the circumstances...you will not tell me. Most of us cannot help you, or see just why you are doing what you are doing if we don't know what happened. Something about a door and an "attack", that's all I got out of it. Exactly what happened that you don't want to tell us?

RIP Mr. Biggles...I hope your trip to the bridge is pain-free. I am deeply saddened by this.

[king2005]

It is this kind of behavior-screaming and encouraging a dog to tackle you that can cause problems.

I hate to say it, but I am truely disgusted by this thread. If advice will not be taken, I have nothing left to say. I have asked repeatedly what happened to make the dog bite, and the circumstances...you will not tell me. Most of us cannot help you, or see just why you are doing what you are doing if we don't know what happened. Something about a door and an "attack", that's all I got out of it. Exactly what happened that you don't want to tell us?

RIP Mr. Biggles...I hope your trip to the bridge is pain-free. I am deeply saddened by this.

Wrong kind of tackle... I'll try to explain it the best I can.
Bear LOVES to play tackle (we just call it tackle cause it looks like it).. She'll wack you with her front legs while shes all excited & wanting you to tap her side or butt (she'll dance if you get her, if you miss she wiggles & awooooooos at you) & well getting hit with a hard leg hurts & tickles the shins... so we fall over.. then shes goes into crazy wiggle mode & starts dancing & licking you all over.. she will NOT step on you (that would hurt a lot).. if you don't get back up, she'll show you how heavy her head can be on your face (shes a big kissy dog)

I already said what happend, theres nothing else to say my goodness.
If I missed something you posted I'm sorry, if you haven't noticed there are a lot of posts being posted & I'm trying to work & remember where i left on in this thread.. then type on top of that

[applesmom]

Of all the posts insisting that mr Biggles should be re-homed, there wasn't even one poster who actually offered to take on the responsibility.

Everyone has perfectly valid reasons why they can't take in a dog that has a history of biting and being returned to the shelter more than once. Not to mention a dog whose bites have escalated to full on attacks. Yet as far as the nay sayers are concerned Jess's reasons are completely without merit and even cruel. Why are anyone elses reasons more credible than hers? The answer of course is because they're not living with the problem.

The real ones to blame here are Mr Biggles original owners who put up with his behavior and "worked around the problems" instead of taking responsible action to correct them. The same owners that dumped him after 8 years because "working around the problem" only made things worse until poor Mr. Biggles is now unfit to live in society.

To anyone that is convinced that Mr Biggles should be rehomed; most likely she would even pay the shipping to send him to you if you are willing and able to take on the responsibility. Do we hear any offers?

[DrKym]

Of all the posts insisting that mr Biggles should be re-homed, there wasn't even one poster who actually offered to take on the responsibility.

Everyone has perfectly valid reasons why they can't take in a dog that has a history of biting and being returned to the shelter more than once. Not to mention a dog whose bites have escalated to full on attacks. Yet as far as the nay sayers are concerned Jess's reasons are completely without merit and even cruel. Why are anyone elses reasons more credible than hers? The answer of course is because they're not living with the problem.

The real ones to blame here are Mr Biggles original owners who put up with his behavior and "worked around the problems" instead of taking responsible action to correct them. The same owners that dumped him after 8 years because "working around the problem" only made things worse until poor Mr. Biggles is now unfit to live in society.

To anyone that is convinced that Mr Biggles should be rehomed; most likely she would even pay the shipping to send him to you if you are willing and able to take on the responsibility. Do we hear any offers?

Very well said.

It is a tragic situation all around.

[Alasse]

As someone who has had to make the same decision...i sympathize with you

There is a definate difference between a bite and an attack...been bit a few times..i can handle that....but when your attacked....believe me you'll never ever forget it