Mr. Biggles is being put to sleep tomorrow

[Pawsitive Thinking]

I fully realise that this topic is immotive and is going to cause quite a bit of controversy but maybe a look at the bigger picture might help. The poor kid is going through enough as it is

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...=121128&page=2

[king2005]

I have to agree-can you not at least contact a behaviorist? See what their opinion is? Not like..petsmart training...but a certified canine behaviorist? He could be reacting to stress levels in the household...although the issues you talk about happened outside the home, he might be feeling the anxiety through you. There was a trigger-the dog did not "attack" without a trigger. A dog dosen't just walk up to someone and say hmm, i feel like biting them. If you can pinpoint the trigger-you can then take it from there. Did he bend over, open the washer towards the dog? Or was it specifically the door going into the laundry room and he jumped up and bit him? What was the circumstances surrounding the bite?

This wasn't just a bite, this was an attack! Mr. Biggles had to be faught off of Chad's arm!

What if Mr. Biggles was the size of Bear. The damage would have been far worse, if the dog could not have been stopped before a human death. Would your feelings still be the same?

I know someone on PT was attacked by 2 Rotties (I think she said it was just the one who did the attacking, I could be wrong) pretty baddly. The poor lady will NEVER be the same mentally or physically. Was it then right to have those dogs PTS? or should they go to a specilest because of poor owners?
No they should be put to sleep before they hurt someone else, as a specilest, can't do mericals over night & regardless, the dogs can never be trusted ever again.

[caseysmom]

Well not to sound insensitive but mr. biggles is not a bear he is 12 pounds. That is exactly my bubba's weight. Bubba is snappy and bitey at times, guess what? I can just shove him away. Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

[DrKym]

Jess asked in her original post, that no one make this harder, she knows how upsetting having any animal PTS is for all of us.

Right now if we cannot express how badly we feel for the people going through this, with sincerity, then we should all remember what we were taught as kids and what we have all taught our own,

If you cannot say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

This situation is tragic on many levels for many creatures 2 legged and four.

Jess, I truly hope you will find some comfort in the days ahead.
Hugs

[BC_MoM]

Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

I agree. A professional trainer should be contacted - not the PetSmart's trainer.

[areias]

Here are some decent looking behaviorists in your area. The price is little compared to the life that would be spared.

http://www.animalbehaviour.ca/ab2/do.php?target=index
http://www.whoswalkingwho.net/behaviourconsults.html
http://www.crdogs.com/

And some other trainer resources...
http://www.canadogs.com/Need_a_Trainer.htm

Although you do not want just a "trainer" you want a certified animal behaviorist.

[king2005]

didnt you say, that the other day, when bear was stuck upstairs, that Chad drug Bear downstairs, and that is when you said you needed to find a new place???? sounds like it wasnt in the car to me, and that mr. Bigles saw this, and has become leary of chad, afraid he might do the same to Him.

That was 2 different things.. Chad got her down.. took him 15 mins, as he took breaks & praised her the whole way down... Mr. Biggles was out ona walk with Andrew, as he kept getting in the way (going under Chad's feet, when he was trying to convince her to come down with food)... I just made the post a quick one & broke up the 2 different topics... I was only implying that I had nothing else to report as I was going to leave.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Is there anyone nearby who could help out maybe? Seems to me that a bit of practical help instead of criticism would solve the problem in the short term

[king2005]

Well not to sound insensitive but mr. biggles is not a bear he is 12 pounds. That is exactly my bubba's weight. Bubba is snappy and bitey at times, guess what? I can just shove him away. Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

Did Bubba sink his teeth into you creating a 4" cut that bled all over the place, caused a lot of swelling & brusing & did you have to fight him off of you??

You can't just shove a dog off. + your not correcting the problem.. Your avoiding it! Thats prob what Mr. Biggles owners did & now look what happened??

[BC_MoM]

Did Bubba sink his teeth into you creating a 4" cut that bled all over the place, caused a lot of swelling & brusing & did you have to fight him off of you??

You can't just shove a dog off. + your not correcting the problem.. Your avoiding it! Thats prob what Mr. Biggles owners did & now look what happened??

You're avoiding the problem, too. Try consulting a behaviourlist before you go to this extreme.

[caseysmom]

Jess, obviously bubba is not as aggressive as mr. biggles, I have never considered his snappyness a big deal I just can't imagine a 12 pound dog leaving a 4inch cut, their mouths aren't even that big.

Dr. Goodnow, we are all entitled to our opinions, we love animals and this animal is going to die.

[king2005]

You people wern't there & haven't seen the amount of damage he did to Chad. Hes being PTS end of story!

If this was a just a bite the story would be different. but it wasn't!

[JenBKR]

Is there anyone nearby who could help out maybe? Seems to me that a bit of practical help instead of criticism would solve the problem in the short term

Agreed!

[areias]

Just saw the replies to my other post-yes, I would do the same thing for a big dog. I have always thought that a dog involved in an attack should not be put down (in most cases) and that the court should order the owner pay for rehabilitation for the dog. And yes, I have been bitten (attacked?) by a 90 lb lab. The dog would not let go of my arm. I triggered it by turning towards/at the dog, he was nervous and he surely did grab ahold of my arm. You know what? That dog is still with its family. They took the proper steps in rehabilitating the dog. No, change won't happen overnight, but it will start taking place sooner than you expect. I'm absolutely not trying to be mean, thats not my intention, I just hate to see any dog PTS. I know it's hard, and it's a difficult decision, but I urge you to at least contact a behaviorist before you do anything.

[king2005]

Jess, obviously bubba is not as aggressive as mr. biggles, I have never considered his snappyness a big deal I just can't imagine a 12 pound dog leaving a 4inch cut, their mouths aren't even that big.

Dr. Goodnow, we are all entitled to our opinions, we love animals and this animal is going to die.

Thats what I was trying to get across, it wasn't just a snap or a bite. Its very different from what your dog did. But I personally believe allowing a dog to snap or nip is asking for problems later on.

Mr. Biggels is the size of a JRT, he has a long snout & his K9's are further forward (his jaw is all screwed up & he has extra K9s in his mouth, which didn't help at all!)...

When I was trying to help Chad stop the bleeding, I never would believe him if he told me that Mr. Biggles attacked him with all the damage that was done. But I was there, so it was him.