Mr. Biggles is being put to sleep tomorrow

[king2005]

I have to agree-can you not at least contact a behaviorist? See what their opinion is? Not like..petsmart training...but a certified canine behaviorist? He could be reacting to stress levels in the household...although the issues you talk about happened outside the home, he might be feeling the anxiety through you. There was a trigger-the dog did not "attack" without a trigger. A dog dosen't just walk up to someone and say hmm, i feel like biting them. If you can pinpoint the trigger-you can then take it from there. Did he bend over, open the washer towards the dog? Or was it specifically the door going into the laundry room and he jumped up and bit him? What was the circumstances surrounding the bite?

This wasn't just a bite, this was an attack! Mr. Biggles had to be faught off of Chad's arm!

What if Mr. Biggles was the size of Bear. The damage would have been far worse, if the dog could not have been stopped before a human death. Would your feelings still be the same?

I know someone on PT was attacked by 2 Rotties (I think she said it was just the one who did the attacking, I could be wrong) pretty baddly. The poor lady will NEVER be the same mentally or physically. Was it then right to have those dogs PTS? or should they go to a specilest because of poor owners?
No they should be put to sleep before they hurt someone else, as a specilest, can't do mericals over night & regardless, the dogs can never be trusted ever again.

[caseysmom]

Well not to sound insensitive but mr. biggles is not a bear he is 12 pounds. That is exactly my bubba's weight. Bubba is snappy and bitey at times, guess what? I can just shove him away. Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

[BC_MoM]

Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

I agree. A professional trainer should be contacted - not the PetSmart's trainer.

[king2005]

Well not to sound insensitive but mr. biggles is not a bear he is 12 pounds. That is exactly my bubba's weight. Bubba is snappy and bitey at times, guess what? I can just shove him away. Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

Did Bubba sink his teeth into you creating a 4" cut that bled all over the place, caused a lot of swelling & brusing & did you have to fight him off of you??

You can't just shove a dog off. + your not correcting the problem.. Your avoiding it! Thats prob what Mr. Biggles owners did & now look what happened??

[BC_MoM]

Did Bubba sink his teeth into you creating a 4" cut that bled all over the place, caused a lot of swelling & brusing & did you have to fight him off of you??

You can't just shove a dog off. + your not correcting the problem.. Your avoiding it! Thats prob what Mr. Biggles owners did & now look what happened??

You're avoiding the problem, too. Try consulting a behaviourlist before you go to this extreme.

[caseysmom]

Jess, obviously bubba is not as aggressive as mr. biggles, I have never considered his snappyness a big deal I just can't imagine a 12 pound dog leaving a 4inch cut, their mouths aren't even that big.

Dr. Goodnow, we are all entitled to our opinions, we love animals and this animal is going to die.

[king2005]

Jess, obviously bubba is not as aggressive as mr. biggles, I have never considered his snappyness a big deal I just can't imagine a 12 pound dog leaving a 4inch cut, their mouths aren't even that big.

Dr. Goodnow, we are all entitled to our opinions, we love animals and this animal is going to die.

Thats what I was trying to get across, it wasn't just a snap or a bite. Its very different from what your dog did. But I personally believe allowing a dog to snap or nip is asking for problems later on.

Mr. Biggels is the size of a JRT, he has a long snout & his K9's are further forward (his jaw is all screwed up & he has extra K9s in his mouth, which didn't help at all!)...

When I was trying to help Chad stop the bleeding, I never would believe him if he told me that Mr. Biggles attacked him with all the damage that was done. But I was there, so it was him.

[BC_MoM]

You've had this dog not even a month. You're not even giving him a chance. How does it hurt you to wait a while and contact a behaviourlist?? You never should have adopted him if you weren't willing to help him with any problems that could (and did) come along.

[caseysmom]

Thats what I was trying to get across, it wasn't just a snap or a bite. Its very different from what your dog did. But I personally believe allowing a dog to snap or nip is asking for problems later on.

Mr. Biggels is the size of a JRT, he has a long snout & his K9's are further forward (his jaw is all screwed up & he has extra K9s in his mouth, which didn't help at all!)...

When I was trying to help Chad stop the bleeding, I never would believe him if he told me that Mr. Biggles attacked him with all the damage that was done. But I was there, so it was him.

Jess, who said I allow this? I am not going to run and put him to sleep for gods sake. He only gets mad when I try to take food out of his mouth, he will steal food off a plate if you don't look, hardly a reason for me to euthanize for gods sake he is a dog and has dog behavior, you understand that and move on. bubba interacts with small children all the time and has never snapped, my point was even if he did get vicious I just don't see how he could leave a 4 inch cut.

[carole]

Jess i have not read all the posts here, but obviously you have to expect some emotive responses, from a pet site, I understand what you are saying and I am not going to judge you, as i realise what a difficult decision you are making here, the only problem i have is your statement, "he is getting PTS and that's that,"it's like you are not even taking into consideration anything anyone has said, admittingly you did not ask for advice, but of course here on PT that is what you will get, and sometimes it is excellent advice, i feel sorry for the situation in hand ,just wish you had not made your mind up, and was so determined there was no other solution,anyhow having said all that, i guess what has to be done will be, i hope Biggles has a safe trip to the Bridge and you are ok with your decision. good luck.

Jess I am asking you as a friend can you please at least consider some of the options given to you here,of course none of us are walking in your shoes right now, and i really do feel for you,but please try and give biggles a chance,i think even you will feel much better for doing so,but it is entirely your call of course and i respect that,even if it makes me extremely sad, you have to do what you think is best.

[king2005]

You people wern't there & haven't seen the amount of damage he did to Chad. Hes being PTS end of story!

If this was a just a bite the story would be different. but it wasn't!

[areias]

Just saw the replies to my other post-yes, I would do the same thing for a big dog. I have always thought that a dog involved in an attack should not be put down (in most cases) and that the court should order the owner pay for rehabilitation for the dog. And yes, I have been bitten (attacked?) by a 90 lb lab. The dog would not let go of my arm. I triggered it by turning towards/at the dog, he was nervous and he surely did grab ahold of my arm. You know what? That dog is still with its family. They took the proper steps in rehabilitating the dog. No, change won't happen overnight, but it will start taking place sooner than you expect. I'm absolutely not trying to be mean, thats not my intention, I just hate to see any dog PTS. I know it's hard, and it's a difficult decision, but I urge you to at least contact a behaviorist before you do anything.

[Taz_Zoee]

Ok, I guess it's final then. Goodbye Mr Biggles. Play hard at the bridge, tell DJ hello for us. Watch over Bear as well, and assist in her weight loss endeavor.
Good Luck, Jess (I'm guessing that's your name) with Bear, I hope all goes well with her. Give her hugs for me.

[king2005]

Just saw the replies to my other post-yes, I would do the same thing for a big dog. I have always thought that a dog involved in an attack should not be put down (in most cases) and that the court should order the owner pay for rehabilitation for the dog. And yes, I have been bitten (attacked?) by a 90 lb lab. The dog would not let go of my arm. I triggered it by turning towards/at the dog, he was nervous and he surely did grab ahold of my arm. You know what? That dog is still with its family. They took the proper steps in rehabilitating the dog. No, change won't happen overnight, but it will start taking place sooner than you expect. I'm absolutely not trying to be mean, thats not my intention, I just hate to see any dog PTS. I know it's hard, and it's a difficult decision, but I urge you to at least contact a behaviorist before you do anything.

What if he attacks again? or gets out & goes after someone else?

I'm not putting other people at risk, its not fair to other people. I've been there too many times & being traumatized isn't fair at all!!

Its not like I'm jumping in joy that I'm having him PTS. We rescued them cause they needed a 2ed chance (well its more then a 2ed, but we wanted to try at least, before they both were PTS at the shelter)

[Lori Jordan]

You people wern't there & haven't seen the amount of damage he did to Chad. Hes being PTS end of story!

If this was a just a bite the story would be different. but it wasn't!

Well sounds to me Chad is not a very stable person,from your posts,Too bad Mr Biggles has to destroyed because of stupidity!As to the post dont say nothing at all i have been critisized of alot of things,And nothing has ever compared to what she is doing,She should not have got these dogs in the first place IMO,Mr Biggles does not deserve to be put down how do you know Chad didnt do something to him,If he can pull a scared dog down the stairs(stupid move)What else could he do?????Ask yourself that!