Mr. Biggles is being put to sleep tomorrow

[areias]

I have to agree-can you not at least contact a behaviorist? See what their opinion is? Not like..petsmart training...but a certified canine behaviorist? He could be reacting to stress levels in the household...although the issues you talk about happened outside the home, he might be feeling the anxiety through you. There was a trigger-the dog did not "attack" without a trigger. A dog dosen't just walk up to someone and say hmm, i feel like biting them. If you can pinpoint the trigger-you can then take it from there. Did he bend over, open the washer towards the dog? Or was it specifically the door going into the laundry room and he jumped up and bit him? What was the circumstances surrounding the bite?

[Lori Jordan]

Lacy bit me the other night,And it was my fault!Her and Molly went at it again,Jamie(my husband grabbed Molly off of Lacy and i went and grabbed Lacy,At this point Molly has scratches to her eye,Lacy to the back of her head and a bite to her mouth and chest,So that is your first reaction,And im sorry i do not believe in letting them fight it out they already have enough wounds,So i grabbed her and started taking her too the bedroom with me she bit my hand as soon as she realied what she was doing she let go quick,I realize these are two different situations.
I probably startled her which is all my fault i have to take them too classes now Because they need to learn to get along they both are not going anywhere!But i would never think of putting my Lacy down,Owning animals can be hard at times but you have to go with the flow.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

I fully realise that this topic is immotive and is going to cause quite a bit of controversy but maybe a look at the bigger picture might help. The poor kid is going through enough as it is

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...=121128&page=2

[DrKym]

Jess asked in her original post, that no one make this harder, she knows how upsetting having any animal PTS is for all of us.

Right now if we cannot express how badly we feel for the people going through this, with sincerity, then we should all remember what we were taught as kids and what we have all taught our own,

If you cannot say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

This situation is tragic on many levels for many creatures 2 legged and four.

Jess, I truly hope you will find some comfort in the days ahead.
Hugs

[Daisy and Delilah]

Jess asked in her original post, that no one make this harder, she knows how upsetting having any animal PTS is for all of us.

Right now if we cannot express how badly we feel for the people going through this, with sincerity, then we should all remember what we were taught as kids and what we have all taught our own,

If you cannot say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

This situation is tragic on many levels for many creatures 2 legged and four.

Jess, I truly hope you will find some comfort in the days ahead.
Hugs

I honestly respect everything you've said. It's not my nature to criticize anyone for the decisions they make. Sometimes things have to be done that we don't like and we accept it and go on. I think the big thing in this case is the fact that every detail of this adoption has been made public to all of us on this board. We are all aware of circumstances and conditions that may or may not have been condusive to pet ownership. We're all here because we love animals and we care what happens to them. We have many experts here that have many good solutions and lots of great advice. I just wish that this entire thing would have been looked at more closely to begin with, considering all factors. We would hope there is a better alternative for these two dogs in the long run. I sincerely hope that Jess(and Chad) can get some help for their problems. I have great concern for anyone in their shoes and I certainly don't mean to imply that I diminish or disrespect their medical conditions in any way.

All this said, please try to rehome these dogs to someone that's equipped to handle them. I know there must be a solution. I wish you the best and hope to hear some better news.

[kimlovescats]

Jess asked in her original post, that no one make this harder, she knows how upsetting having any animal PTS is for all of us.

Right now if we cannot express how badly we feel for the people going through this, with sincerity, then we should all remember what we were taught as kids and what we have all taught our own,

If you cannot say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

This situation is tragic on many levels for many creatures 2 legged and four.

Jess, I truly hope you will find some comfort in the days ahead.
Hugs

Well said!!!
Prayers to you, Jess, that you get through these difficult times in your life, and come out stronger from them!

Hugs,
Kim

[areias]

Here are some decent looking behaviorists in your area. The price is little compared to the life that would be spared.

http://www.animalbehaviour.ca/ab2/do.php?target=index
http://www.whoswalkingwho.net/behaviourconsults.html
http://www.crdogs.com/

And some other trainer resources...
http://www.canadogs.com/Need_a_Trainer.htm

Although you do not want just a "trainer" you want a certified animal behaviorist.

[king2005]

I have to agree-can you not at least contact a behaviorist? See what their opinion is? Not like..petsmart training...but a certified canine behaviorist? He could be reacting to stress levels in the household...although the issues you talk about happened outside the home, he might be feeling the anxiety through you. There was a trigger-the dog did not "attack" without a trigger. A dog dosen't just walk up to someone and say hmm, i feel like biting them. If you can pinpoint the trigger-you can then take it from there. Did he bend over, open the washer towards the dog? Or was it specifically the door going into the laundry room and he jumped up and bit him? What was the circumstances surrounding the bite?

This wasn't just a bite, this was an attack! Mr. Biggles had to be faught off of Chad's arm!

What if Mr. Biggles was the size of Bear. The damage would have been far worse, if the dog could not have been stopped before a human death. Would your feelings still be the same?

I know someone on PT was attacked by 2 Rotties (I think she said it was just the one who did the attacking, I could be wrong) pretty baddly. The poor lady will NEVER be the same mentally or physically. Was it then right to have those dogs PTS? or should they go to a specilest because of poor owners?
No they should be put to sleep before they hurt someone else, as a specilest, can't do mericals over night & regardless, the dogs can never be trusted ever again.

[caseysmom]

Well not to sound insensitive but mr. biggles is not a bear he is 12 pounds. That is exactly my bubba's weight. Bubba is snappy and bitey at times, guess what? I can just shove him away. Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

[BC_MoM]

Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

I agree. A professional trainer should be contacted - not the PetSmart's trainer.

[king2005]

Well not to sound insensitive but mr. biggles is not a bear he is 12 pounds. That is exactly my bubba's weight. Bubba is snappy and bitey at times, guess what? I can just shove him away. Sorry but it seems a bit extreme to kill him over this.

Did Bubba sink his teeth into you creating a 4" cut that bled all over the place, caused a lot of swelling & brusing & did you have to fight him off of you??

You can't just shove a dog off. + your not correcting the problem.. Your avoiding it! Thats prob what Mr. Biggles owners did & now look what happened??

[BC_MoM]

Did Bubba sink his teeth into you creating a 4" cut that bled all over the place, caused a lot of swelling & brusing & did you have to fight him off of you??

You can't just shove a dog off. + your not correcting the problem.. Your avoiding it! Thats prob what Mr. Biggles owners did & now look what happened??

You're avoiding the problem, too. Try consulting a behaviourlist before you go to this extreme.

[caseysmom]

Jess, obviously bubba is not as aggressive as mr. biggles, I have never considered his snappyness a big deal I just can't imagine a 12 pound dog leaving a 4inch cut, their mouths aren't even that big.

Dr. Goodnow, we are all entitled to our opinions, we love animals and this animal is going to die.

[king2005]

Jess, obviously bubba is not as aggressive as mr. biggles, I have never considered his snappyness a big deal I just can't imagine a 12 pound dog leaving a 4inch cut, their mouths aren't even that big.

Dr. Goodnow, we are all entitled to our opinions, we love animals and this animal is going to die.

Thats what I was trying to get across, it wasn't just a snap or a bite. Its very different from what your dog did. But I personally believe allowing a dog to snap or nip is asking for problems later on.

Mr. Biggels is the size of a JRT, he has a long snout & his K9's are further forward (his jaw is all screwed up & he has extra K9s in his mouth, which didn't help at all!)...

When I was trying to help Chad stop the bleeding, I never would believe him if he told me that Mr. Biggles attacked him with all the damage that was done. But I was there, so it was him.

[king2005]

You people wern't there & haven't seen the amount of damage he did to Chad. Hes being PTS end of story!

If this was a just a bite the story would be different. but it wasn't!