Mr. Biggles is being put to sleep tomorrow

[Taz_Zoee]

I can't believe this is happening! If I'm not mistaken, Bear and Mr Biggles were VERY close, and that's why you adopted them together. Poor Bear is going to be so depressed. I would NEVER be able to do what you are doing, and honestly I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. One one hand I understand he attacked someone, but on the other I wouldn't be able to bring myself to put down a dog like that. Oh, I can't imagine the stress you are dealing with right now.
I'm sorry for you, Mr Biggles and Bear.

[Lori Jordan]

Chad wasn't a problem in the house near the dogs. Its when he was out in the car with a certain person. That person kept setting him off. Chad yelled & said something horrible to me, so I faught back on the phone with him. He spazed & told me where to go. Then my Anxiety was set off.. thats when I don't do so well. Once again, this didn't happen at home, so how could it have effected the dogs?

I went home after wards, tended to the dogs & Chad went to his friends place. I had his friend talk to him & Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal.

Mr. Biggles has been nipping & snapping since we got him Not reason to put a dog down, as that can be corrected (was trying to do that) & the dog can be trusted after a little time. A dog cannot be trusted after an attack.

Going to Pet Smart is not helping Mr Biggles,A confrentation does not need to happen in the home for a dog to react to,The tension is enough for them to react too,If i were you!i would be doing everything and anything to fix the problem,Giving up on him in a day is not a responsible pet owner,Im going to vent a bit....


I was watching Animal Cops last night and it made me so mad A dog came in off the streets after being abandoned(That sticks for life in there heads i dont care what anyone has to say about that)Anyways they were doing a temeperment test,She put that rubber hand in the food dish and pulled it away,The dog snapped offcourse(THE DOG HAD BEEN STARVED FOR HOWEVER LONG,WOULDNT YOU SNAP)Anyhow the dog was put to sleep because it was"Food Aggressive".With an appropriate trainer you could most likely fix his problems these people can read your animals minds and know what to look for,Giving up on him is not a option in my books,If that is what you are going to do,Please find someone a rescue of som sort where they can help him.

It is not a good feeling to be given up on,Me being there myself!In the future if you cannot deal what has been delt to you maybe you should not own dogs,As a dog owner i have been through this many times before and i have never came to putting any my animals to sleep!They got help and are 100% Different dogs today!I am not trying to be rude but seeing this is upsetting for any animal lover!

[critter crazy]

Chad wasn't a problem in the house near the dogs. Its when he was out in the car with a certain person. That person kept setting him off. Chad yelled & said something horrible to me, so I faught back on the phone with him. He spazed & told me where to go. Then my Anxiety was set off.. thats when I don't do so well. Once again, this didn't happen at home, so how could it have effected the dogs?

I went home after wards, tended to the dogs & Chad went to his friends place. I had his friend talk to him & Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal.

Mr. Biggles has been nipping & snapping since we got him Not reason to put a dog down, as that can be corrected (was trying to do that) & the dog can be trusted after a little time. A dog cannot be trusted after an attack.

didnt you say, that the other day, when bear was stuck upstairs, that Chad drug Bear downstairs, and that is when you said you needed to find a new place???? sounds like it wasnt in the car to me, and that mr. Bigles saw this, and has become leary of chad, afraid he might do the same to Him.

[luvofallhorses]

I agree that some professional help might be in order for Mr. Biggles. I don't think it's fair to put him down because of this. IMO, it seems like you have given up on him.

sorry, but I agree.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Please read her post in general before judging her too harshly - they need our help, her, Chad and the dogs

[areias]

Please tell us, what happened before the dog attacked? We might be able to help you. The dog nipping you, and the dog attacking Chad could be two totally seperate issues. I can 95% guarantee that the dog used biting to get away from something. I call it a trigger...Chad did something that mr. biggles has experienced discomfort from before, and used his teeth.

Did you see the attack?

Has the dog seen the vet? Didn't you say somewhere that Mr. Biggles might be either hard of hearing or partially blind? I can't remember...

[borzoimom]

Please read her post in general before judging her too harshly - they need our help, her, Chad and the dogs

I agree..
King- I understand.. And as stated- with all the loving pets that would never bite that needs homes-.. This does sound like an attack to me as I said because the dog held on..

[Pam]

Perhaps I shouldn't even be posting because I haven't read prior threads about Mr. Biggles. Personally I could never keep a dog that attacked either myself or a family member. As a former vet once told me, "there are too many loving dogs languishing in shelters who will ultimately be PTS." In other words, why not give one of them a chance. This was his thinking on euthanizing a biting dog. It may sound simplistic but I sort of have to agree. In this particular case, it does seem to me like there is a lack of stability in the home environment. For that reason alone, I would suggest no more pets until the current situation changes.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Good GRIEF!


Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."

... it does seem to me like there is a lack of stability in the home environment.

"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

[gemini9961]

Amen Phred!

[dukedogsmom]

Good GRIEF!






"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

Chad dragged Bear down the stairs I feel the same way.

[Muddy4paws]

Good GRIEF!

Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."




"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

I'm glad someone said it! I find it hard to believe alot of these threads

[king2005]

Good GRIEF!


Originally Posted by king2005

"Chad wasn't a problem in the house ...
It's ... That person kept setting him off.
Chad yelled ...
He spazed ...
Then my Anxiety was set off ...

Chad is back on Effexor & completely normal."




"lack of stability" ...

Now, whatever gives that impresion??

Anybody know what happened to the previous Epic Tail of Bear being "Trapped Upstairs"?
Seems THAT Tail suddenly vanished -
Did the Magic *Delete* button put an end to all those suggestions?

Any bets on how much longer THIS Tail will last?

It was deleted because of fighting.. After Karen removed a fight between 2 members (it was between those 2, not about my thread), I read a post & it brought up the fighting. I didn't read on, in fear it was gonna be another stupid fight all over again, so i just removed it to prevent another childish fight between 2 members.

The advice was great. I just wasn't able to share it with Chad before he had already gotten her down stairs... I do work, & I don't keep tabs on his doings the whole day. He did what he thought was right as she was starting to get upset at being up there (lots of crying). He was in front of her, holding her collar & scruff in order not to strangle her.. every few steps, he would stop, praise her & go down a few more, etc. She was spoiled rotten when they got to the bottom... He knew shes not to have too many treats, esp people food, due to her weight issue, but he knew he had scared her & wanted her to know she was still a good dog. He even took her behind the river to play with her (OMG you should see them play haha, he doesn't like being licked & Bear knows it.. so she'll be playing & the second his mouth is open & vonurable, she goes for the BIG lick haha.. he scream eww & then she tackles him while hes thinking about the slober in his mouth hahaha.. she wins every time hahaha, shes not stupid by all means hahaha)


EDIT: sorry my bad.. the fight started becasue of my thread yes, but that member attacked me with no cause & then a fight defending me droke out & 2 members started at each other... a couple of the members PMed me saying sorry, so i didn't think anyone else needed to reopen that war, aster the majority of the members fighting had already said sorry.

[areias]

He even took her behind the river to play with her (OMG you should see them play haha, he doesn't like being licked & Bear knows it.. so she'll be playing & the second his mouth is open & vonurable, she goes for the BIG lick haha.. he scream eww & then she tackles him while hes thinking about the slober in his mouth hahaha.. she wins every time hahaha, shes not stupid by all means hahaha)

It is this kind of behavior-screaming and encouraging a dog to tackle you that can cause problems.

I hate to say it, but I am truely disgusted by this thread. If advice will not be taken, I have nothing left to say. I have asked repeatedly what happened to make the dog bite, and the circumstances...you will not tell me. Most of us cannot help you, or see just why you are doing what you are doing if we don't know what happened. Something about a door and an "attack", that's all I got out of it. Exactly what happened that you don't want to tell us?

RIP Mr. Biggles...I hope your trip to the bridge is pain-free. I am deeply saddened by this.

[applesmom]

Of all the posts insisting that mr Biggles should be re-homed, there wasn't even one poster who actually offered to take on the responsibility.

Everyone has perfectly valid reasons why they can't take in a dog that has a history of biting and being returned to the shelter more than once. Not to mention a dog whose bites have escalated to full on attacks. Yet as far as the nay sayers are concerned Jess's reasons are completely without merit and even cruel. Why are anyone elses reasons more credible than hers? The answer of course is because they're not living with the problem.

The real ones to blame here are Mr Biggles original owners who put up with his behavior and "worked around the problems" instead of taking responsible action to correct them. The same owners that dumped him after 8 years because "working around the problem" only made things worse until poor Mr. Biggles is now unfit to live in society.

To anyone that is convinced that Mr Biggles should be rehomed; most likely she would even pay the shipping to send him to you if you are willing and able to take on the responsibility. Do we hear any offers?