Insane barking... Update: Problem solved..NOW disscussing feedings/crating/etc on pg4

[kittycats_delight]

before I say anything I just want to let you all know I am not getting involved in an arguement so I am keeping my personal opinions to myself.

I wish you all the luck in the world with Mr. Biggles and hope time will be granted to you to work on his issues.

I basically just wanted to make a comment about pitc9 statement concerning the shelter.

From all I know the Toronto Humane Society is a kill shelter. And in that everyone knows that once an animal goes out their door their main concern is that the animal doesn't come back through it. If a surgery is going to keep that animal from being returned to them then I don't think they would have much of a problem with it. That is obviously not the right way to be but if it means keeping an animal out of their already over-crowded shelter than so be it. If Mr. Biggles was returned to them because of the barking situation once again do you think he would have much of a chance of getting adopted again? I highly doubt it as they would most likely see him as being not adoptable and he would be given an early ticket to the bridge.

I really hope your neighbors will be cooperative and give you the time you need. Exhaust all possiblities and good luck. Mr. Biggles deserves a good happy home and a chance at a normal life.

[pitc9]

I basically just wanted to make a comment about pitc9 statement concerning the shelter.

From all I know the Toronto Humane Society is a kill shelter. And in that everyone knows that once an animal goes out their door their main concern is that the animal doesn't come back through it.

Is that true for this shelter in particular?
Or is this an opinion of yours about kill shelters in general?
(I don't know if you've had any dealings with this shelter... that's why I ask, I don't know anything about the Toronto Humane Society.)

[king2005]

Is that true for this shelter in particular?
Or is this an opinion of yours about kill shelters in general?
(I don't know if you've had any dealings with this shelter... that's why I ask, I don't know anything about the Toronto Humane Society.)

They show it on TV

[kittycats_delight]

Is that true for this shelter in particular?
Or is this an opinion of yours about kill shelters in general?
(I don't know if you've had any dealings with this shelter... that's why I ask, I don't know anything about the Toronto Humane Society.)

I myself have not dealt with them but I have friend and family that have. My uncle had a gsdx that had major behavioral problems and he contacted the shelter about returning him as he has a small child. They told him that the dog had been returned to them twice before and if he came back again he would not be put up for adoption again. So my uncle asked for an alternative solution and they gave him the name and number of a behavioralist and obedience trainer. So instead of my uncle returned the dog as he did not want to see him PTS be worked with him with the behavioralist and the trainer. It took awhile but they corrected his behavior and he was a wonderful companion to my uncle until my uncle passed away and he is now with my uncles best friend.

And for the most part this is my opinion on most kill shelters. I did deal with the humane society in the city I was from in Newfoundland and it was all the same thing. With the amount of animals they have they cannot bother too much to work with those that are problem adoptees. If a dog or cat for that matter has been returned several times it is bye bye baby. You are just not worth the hassel.

Sad but true at least in my dealings with kill shelters and those that I have known.

[borzoimom]

kittycats delight is right on returns. They would put a pet down as well that was adopted out especially twice before..

[Ginger's Mom]

I am sorry if I missed the post...how did you manage to solve the problem so quickly?

[critter crazy]

I am sorry if I missed the post...how did you manage to solve the problem so quickly?

hmmm..i was gonna ask te same thing! I am confused, how the problem was solved???

[ramanth]

Chipper had mild seperation anxiety. The trick is, once you put them in their crate, ignore them.

We were putting him in his crate, then cooing at him to be a good boy and that we'd see him soon. Second we'd turn to the door, he'd be throwing a fit.

Neighbors told us he was whining and crying a bit but would settle down after about an hour.

We appologized and explained that he was new and we were working with his anxiety.

Now, we just ask him to get in his crate, give him a toy, and as soon as we latch the door it's as if they turned invisible. No eye contact, don't speak to them, just walk out the door and we haven't heard a peep out of him and our neighbors say he's been quiet during the day while we're at work.

It's also recommended that you crate them occasionally while you are home and then go into a different room. Chipper cried at first, but now he doesn't. And if he got real loud, I'd say "Hush", very firmly and he'd settle down.

[king2005]

There was another complaint. The neighbour was screaming at Chad & wouldn't let him explain... So I picked up the shock collar & stayed with Mr. Biggles for his first correction. I made sure he wasn't being shocked for anxiety, but barking at things. So when he heard the neighbours he barked a couple times & stopped. Then he barked at me, stopped...

In total he barked 10 times last night (from 6pm-1am).

I took him & Bear out for a walk knowing we'd see another dog. Mr. Biggles wanted to bark, but wouldn't.. He ignored the other dog except for a quick glance.

I then left him in the house, while I took Bear out for a pee infront of the house.. Mr. Biggles barked a couple times & stopped.. I came into the house & he was on his couch all happy.

He then cuddled with me on my couch & slept on me while I watched tv.

Then I put him in his crate 30 mins before bedtime.. He whined quietly, I just ignored him... Then he barked, & stopped.. I checked on him & he was sleeping!!!!!!!

Neither dog had an accident for the first time! & both were happy, well rested & playful this morning (that was a first).. I usually have to drag bear off the couch to go outside.

Both wanted breakfast & alittle loving... it was great!

Then I had to put Mr. Biggles back into the crate with his food, so I could leave for work.

Mr. Biggles is getting a larger Kennel soon, so both bowls & a nicer blanket can fit inside it.


I knew it was his barking that was upsetting them both.. cause the more Mr. Biggles barked the worse he acted & the worse bear acted... Now both dogs seem really calm, but not a sad kind of calm, full of energy calm, but not barking all the time & not bouncing off the walls.


We're all happy