Let me just say that I don't think anyone here has a closed mind. I think what we are trying to say is that some things are better done by PM than by expressing ourselves publicly on this board and possibly upsetting the others. It is hard to express oneself via e-mail or public boards. Body language, etc. is not seen. The written word has no voice inflections, try as we might to add emoticons. I think that when we stray too far from pet-related topics we get into trouble here, and that is not what Karen and Paul had in mind when they created Pet Talk (please correct me if I am wrong.) I would suggest PMing those who you would like to discuss things with or searching for a religious or political site that might provide a stimulating discussion. I am not "mad" at anyone. I just wish these discussions could take place elsewhere. Hope you understand....