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  1. #1
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    As an owner of two Border Collies who don't like other dogs coming up to them, I know I get very annoyed when other owners allow their dogs to approach mine and if something bad happens, they blame me like it's my fault because my dogs don't want to play with theirs. In the end, they should control their dogs because mine aren't interested in going up to other peoples and stay away.
    If I see a dog running up and I get hold of Jess's collar because she's the most aggressive towards other dogs, the other owners seem to automatically think that I believe their dog is going to attack mine. It never seems to occur to them that mine will probably go for theirs and they say something stupid like: "He's ok love, he just wants to play", and I'm so tired of it now that I usually respond by telling them that mine DON'T want to play. Too many people just don't seem to get it. Obviously, I don't want our Jess to lay into somebody elses dog so these close shaves do frighten me and some people might mistake it for me believing the other dog is aggressive when it is not.
    BTW, both my dogs have been attacked by other dogs, especially Jess, thats why they don't like them. They aren't just bad tempered by choice.

    I used to do agility and flyball at a club with mine and I remember a guy with a GSD which was quite aggressive towards other dogs. He kept it on the lead but when it went through the tunnel or the tyre jump, he would have to let go of the lead. One time, it managed to evade him when it came out of the other end of the tunnel, it ran straight up to our Mist as I was taking her around the next course to have a go at her but Mist being Mist span round and nipped it's nose like a flash of lightening and then she stood her ground with teeth showing and staring right at the GSD and letting him know she meant business. Her sudden pushiness made him back off and the owner got there by that time to get hold of him. The GSD also used to snarl and growl at our Jess when we were waiting in the queue with them on leads to go around the courses. Jess would snarl back of course.

    In the end, no matter how friendly a dog might be, other dogs might not want to be approached and react aggressively if they are. I know that Border collie bitches are often very much like this and as Borders often dominate the agility and flyball scene, I bet there was a lot of them around. No other breed is fast enough for them in agility and flyball so they do tend to dominate.

    You need to concentrate on making yourself much more interesting and fun than anyone else and their dogs. Use a favourite toy and destract your dog from others as practise and reward him simply for keeping his attention on you. If you are more interesting than them, your dog will stay with you and will lose interest in wanting to go and play with other dogs.

    I don't agree with another owner coming up and smacking your dog though. Maybe having a word with you about making sure the dog was properly taught not to run up to others but not smack the dog. I think they might be a bit clueless in some aspects. As for not punishing him enough, thats plain stupid. Dogs don't learn through punishment, they learn through positive reinforcement. Firmness, yes, but shouting at him and hitting him...well, that doesn't create a trusting relationship between you and thats something you need in order to work as a team.

    Take AgilityK9trainers advice and get your recall 100% spot on and then go and get back to it but do it for you and your dog. Don't waste your time trying to impress them.
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    I've come up with a new thing to say when people are rude and allow their dog to come up to mine and sniff,. I talk to my dog (in a happy tone so my dog doesn't think he's getting scolded), "Oh, you knowi it's horribly rude to go up and sniff other dogs, Aslan. You know that's very rude." I've gotten across to the other owner that it's rude to let their dog come up and sniff other dogs, and yet my dog has no idea I've just "scolded" him. Bascially, what I've done is scold the other owner!
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    I do the same thing agilityk9trainer! If someone lets their dog approach and Jasper responds, I'll say to him, "Now, it's RUDE to approach another dog before I've asked their parents, you know that!" Jasper's nearly flawless with "leave it" though, so he's almost never a problem.

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    Sorry Audrey, I don't think it is a good idea to go back to the flyball group at this time. Going back because you feel you have something to prove, or haven't had the last say, isn't a good idea. Take Zeke back to obedience class, have fun training there. If and when Zeke is ready for flyball, you won't even have to ask if the time is right.

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    Haha, I might try that what you two described next time somebody lets their dog come running up.

    A couple of weeks ago, I guy let his dog run up and didn't even try to call it away and I shouted across to him firmly to call it away and he did and put it on the lead whilst he passed us. He was behind us and caught us up but I couldn't move any quicker because Mist can't get around that fast anymore.

    I remember one time when I was walking along and saw some people ahead in the distance and they had a rottweiler that saw us and came running towards us so I got the dogs collars and squatted down with one dog on each side. The rottie just stopped about 10ft in front and just looked at us curiously. Then I noticed this guy come walking up from behind with his dog. This guy allowed his dog to come up to our Jess's backside and sniff it. She didn't know it was coming because she was looking at the rottie in front and then all of a sudden feels this nose up her backside so span round and lunged at it dragging me with her. The guy didn't say anything and just carried on walking past and the dog went with him and, at that point, the rottie ran back to it's owners. I really regret not having a go at that stupid, thick brainless, twirp now. It still riles me thinking about it. Imagine being stupid enough to let your dog do that. Some people shouldn't have dogs seriously.
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    I was still in training...these people all know how Zeke acts. He was NOT on a team yet.



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    as a flyball person I have to agree that you need to have complete and total control of your dog, flyball people work together when displining, crossing over for any reason is unacceptable, and if Zeke came up to a dog that was not friendly and the other dog went after Zeke, there is a extremly high possablity that both dogs will be banned from competing. Zeke sounds like he is a softer dog, but understand that most flyball dogs are so drivey at practices and tourniments that "bad dog" means nothing, most of them have to have someone leap in front of them screaming a few times before they make the connection that their not supposed to do that. if you dont have 100% control of your dog both on and off leash then your dog should not be taken off the leash at any point in time. period.

    and by the way, I do agree that hitting the dog after the fact was rather pointless lol
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    I have no idea what flyball even is lol, I don't own a dog, but with whatever you choose, I wish you the best of luck with you and your Zeke. Zeke sounds like a wonderful dog and I bet someday you and him will be able to flawlessly complete in flyball


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