New Puppy!!---(Pictures included)

**borzoimom** · 01-10-2007, 02:33 PM

/applesmom-"You're also genuinely thrilled about taking in a breeder return that is being placed because he isn't show quality and the original owners couldn't provide what he needed. "..//
What breeder return??? What original owners??? You lost me totally...
Except for Femka, the others are all show quality- Hottie being retired. .. YOu lost me..

**applesmom** · 01-10-2007, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by borzoimom

/applesmom-"You're also genuinely thrilled about taking in a breeder return that is being placed because he isn't show quality and the original owners couldn't provide what he needed. "..//
What breeder return??? What original owners??? You lost me totally...
Except for Femka, the others are all show quality- Hottie being retired. .. YOu lost me..

I'm just going by what you said in your original thread about taking Major in. You said then that Major was returned to his breeder because his original owners couldn't keep him. You also said Major isn't show quality and he is neutered. But that didn't matter because you're just going to do obedience with him.

That brings up another question related to this topic. Since you're obviously very excited about showing and breeding borzoi now, would you have taken Galina in if she hadn't been considered to be show quality or worthy of breeding? Or would you have saved that spot for a show quality female?

**Lobodeb** · 01-10-2007, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by applesmom

That brings up another question related to this topic. Since you're obviously very excited about showing and breeding borzoi now, would you have taken Galina in if she hadn't been considered to be show quality or worthy of breeding? Or would you have saved that spot for a show quality female?

This thread isn't about borzoimom and her dogs.

**applesmom** · 01-10-2007, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lobodeb

This thread isn't about borzoimom and her dogs.

You're right it's not about borzoimom and her dogs. I'm simply asking her opinion because I know her situation the best.

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the names of her dogs specifically, but by doing so it provides a reference point for her opinions.

While it might be confusing to others, borzoimom understands why I asked the question.

**borzoimom** · 01-10-2007, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by applesmom

I'm just going by what you said in your original thread about taking Major in. You said then that Major was returned to his breeder because his original owners couldn't keep him. You also said Major isn't show quality and he is neutered. But that didn't matter because you're just going to do obedience with him.

That brings up another question related to this topic. Since you're obviously very excited about showing and breeding borzoi now, would you have taken Galina in if she hadn't been considered to be show quality or worthy of breeding? Or would you have saved that spot for a show quality female?

Oh I see applesmom- Major and Galina are apples and oranges ( sorry the pun..
Galina was pick bitch of her litter. She was acting shy- it was decided - well maybe if we send her here, she might improve from the lack of dominant bitches- if she doesnt we will spay her. .. Well the other co owner- saw within two weeks not only did she improve- but took Winners Bitch first show out, when previously she cringed on the lead. She then got her TD title. My position was she loved to play with Zubin- she was a show quality bitch, and doing well obviously. When the month was over- it was agreed she stay here.
Major was given up by an idiot owner that had him barely 3 months, didnt feed him well and had no time with young children in the house. Tim took the puppy back- and I wanted an obedience dog- however- because of Hottie and now Zubin, a intact male would not work. Major was already neutered. He has a nice body- but in my judges eye ( herding and terriers) he has a low ear set- although the ears are up now. Having a dog for obedience, neutered early as no threat to my old man Hottie or upcoming Zubin- I agreed to take him..
HOWEVER- if I had not taken Major- he would live out his life with Tim as the previous owners were not providing for him at all.
Galina- well I do not know this answer- lets say she remained shy- and at the end of the month a spay was coming- would she have stayed here??? I can not tell you- that never came up.. More than likely- yes- but hard to say. ....

**borzoimom** · 01-10-2007, 03:09 PM

HOWEVER APPLESMOM- IF Zubin had not worked out for show- he would have stayed with me for his life time- and in Borzois- that is easily 15 years! I bought him for show- but if something had happened or happens- he will live out his life WITH ME!
AND - IF GALINA now comes up she can not show or have pups, she will live with me for life as well! Just like Hottie did, and now femka as well..

**GreyhoundGirl** · 01-10-2007, 03:11 PM

Yea, because you know I'd die if I got cut off of Zubin and Galina pics ... They're adorable together! A cute couple if they weren't family

**applesmom** · 01-10-2007, 03:12 PM

Thank you, I knew you'd get it!

So we both agree that it was a good thing for both of those dogs to have the opportunity to be re-homed with you as a loving and responsible pet owner?

**borzoimom** · 01-10-2007, 03:23 PM

I am sorry applesmom- but the fact is, this whole thread was not presented like " I have a new puppy- here he is".. but rather- well this one wont work " get rid of him".. and being replaced by a dog that is at least AT LEAST 8 months before pullling training can start..
Dogs are NOT disposable- I have two in my house now to prove that.. Even Femka came here as borzois are rare in rescue, with most breeders with years of waiting lists, and with me back to days in work, Hottie needed a companion as well as us wanting another borzoi....
NOTHING on this thread was presented at first of here is a new puppy- it was presented as this one doesnt work- toss him out!
With Galina now offically added into the house, if something happens, she would live here- if I have to make more room for another show bitch- FINE- but she WOULD LIVE HERE! SAme with Zubin- and now coming Feb 10th- SAME WITH MAJOR!

**critter crazy** · 01-10-2007, 03:29 PM

think this is all out of control. What is done is done, and there is nothing that any of us are going to be able to do about it! so coul we pleas just drop all of this???