New Puppy!!---(Pictures included)

[luvofallhorses]

Where is she going to find time to take care of a puppy if she didn't have the time to care for Yukon?

no kidding!

[Kfamr]

Joyce said it perfectly.

Yukon will be in my thoughts, as well as the new puppy, lets hope they both receive a forever home, despite their working abilities or lack of.

[Anita Cholaine]

Sled_Dog's mom, we are a group of people who feel very strongly about pets, so when a thread like this one appears, you can't really expect everyone to just agree. It may be your lifestyle, and yes, you can do whatever you do with it, but dogs are involved here and we do want the best for them.

I don't think there has been any rude response on this thread. Everybody has just expressed their opinions politely, just as you did. This is a public board, you will find people you agree with, and some you don't. I really appreciate that you came here and shared your point of view, but I am one of those who don't agree with your daughter's decision, although I respect it. You can't say that some of what you see here is pathetic or ridiculous, they are our opinions, and you should also respect them.

I hope the best for Yukon and Kodiak, I have nothing else to say here.

[Lobodeb]

This whole situation is very sad.

Sled_dog's mother:

By posting the info on rehoming Yukon in this thread is asking for opinions. Given that she has 500+ posts leads me to believe that she's been around long enough to know how this forum feels about rehoming. I would agree that sometimes it is a necessary evil, but that's very, very rare. The vast majority of members on this forum would sooner die than the alternative. Those that do rescue probably feel even stronger about it.

I just wish more people had that mentality. Poor Yukon. I don't like to work either, buddy.

[applesmom]

I just wanted to add something as wolfsoul and others mentioned before.....what would be more "right" ? keep Yukon as a "pet dog" and spend all the time with the others sledding, doing agility, school, homework, etc.......and having no more time left for him......

OR, give him a home where he can get the attention needed, not needing to do anything about pulling, running, working, just being a lovable companion.....

not that he is not loved but I think he deserves to have someone that loves him as much and can give him the time......and he wouldn´t be just waiting while the others are having fun or waiting till you can make a break for him........

Very well said Husky_mom!

Animal collectors begin with the attitude that no one can take care of the animals like they can--even though the animals in their care get little to no attention and may even be dirty, hungry sick and dying. It's the same principle to insist that an owner should keep a dog, when that owner knows in their own heart that it would be much better off elsewhere.

Placing Yukon in a carefully chosen new home is not in the same category as turning him over to a breed rescue, dumping him at a shelter or abandoning him somewhere out in the country.

Borzoimom, you took Galina in because you and her breeder both honestly felt that you could provide a better home atmosphere than the one she was in. You're also genuinely thrilled about taking in a breeder return that is being placed because he isn't show quality and the original owners couldn't provide what he needed. What's the difference?

Just imagine for a moment that Galina's breeder had posted here that she was expecting another litter of puppies and was going to place Galina with you. What would you have to say on this topic then? Or why is it okay for you to take Major, but not okay for Yukon to have the same opportunity?

[borzoimom]

/applesmom-"You're also genuinely thrilled about taking in a breeder return that is being placed because he isn't show quality and the original owners couldn't provide what he needed. "..//
What breeder return??? What original owners??? You lost me totally...
Except for Femka, the others are all show quality- Hottie being retired. .. YOu lost me..

[applesmom]

/applesmom-"You're also genuinely thrilled about taking in a breeder return that is being placed because he isn't show quality and the original owners couldn't provide what he needed. "..//
What breeder return??? What original owners??? You lost me totally...
Except for Femka, the others are all show quality- Hottie being retired. .. YOu lost me..

I'm just going by what you said in your original thread about taking Major in. You said then that Major was returned to his breeder because his original owners couldn't keep him. You also said Major isn't show quality and he is neutered. But that didn't matter because you're just going to do obedience with him.

That brings up another question related to this topic. Since you're obviously very excited about showing and breeding borzoi now, would you have taken Galina in if she hadn't been considered to be show quality or worthy of breeding? Or would you have saved that spot for a show quality female?

[Lobodeb]

That brings up another question related to this topic. Since you're obviously very excited about showing and breeding borzoi now, would you have taken Galina in if she hadn't been considered to be show quality or worthy of breeding? Or would you have saved that spot for a show quality female?

This thread isn't about borzoimom and her dogs.

[applesmom]

This thread isn't about borzoimom and her dogs.

You're right it's not about borzoimom and her dogs. I'm simply asking her opinion because I know her situation the best.

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the names of her dogs specifically, but by doing so it provides a reference point for her opinions.

While it might be confusing to others, borzoimom understands why I asked the question.

[borzoimom]

I'm just going by what you said in your original thread about taking Major in. You said then that Major was returned to his breeder because his original owners couldn't keep him. You also said Major isn't show quality and he is neutered. But that didn't matter because you're just going to do obedience with him.

That brings up another question related to this topic. Since you're obviously very excited about showing and breeding borzoi now, would you have taken Galina in if she hadn't been considered to be show quality or worthy of breeding? Or would you have saved that spot for a show quality female?

Oh I see applesmom- Major and Galina are apples and oranges ( sorry the pun..
Galina was pick bitch of her litter. She was acting shy- it was decided - well maybe if we send her here, she might improve from the lack of dominant bitches- if she doesnt we will spay her. .. Well the other co owner- saw within two weeks not only did she improve- but took Winners Bitch first show out, when previously she cringed on the lead. She then got her TD title. My position was she loved to play with Zubin- she was a show quality bitch, and doing well obviously. When the month was over- it was agreed she stay here.
Major was given up by an idiot owner that had him barely 3 months, didnt feed him well and had no time with young children in the house. Tim took the puppy back- and I wanted an obedience dog- however- because of Hottie and now Zubin, a intact male would not work. Major was already neutered. He has a nice body- but in my judges eye ( herding and terriers) he has a low ear set- although the ears are up now. Having a dog for obedience, neutered early as no threat to my old man Hottie or upcoming Zubin- I agreed to take him..
HOWEVER- if I had not taken Major- he would live out his life with Tim as the previous owners were not providing for him at all.
Galina- well I do not know this answer- lets say she remained shy- and at the end of the month a spay was coming- would she have stayed here??? I can not tell you- that never came up.. More than likely- yes- but hard to say. ....

[borzoimom]

HOWEVER APPLESMOM- IF Zubin had not worked out for show- he would have stayed with me for his life time- and in Borzois- that is easily 15 years! I bought him for show- but if something had happened or happens- he will live out his life WITH ME!
AND - IF GALINA now comes up she can not show or have pups, she will live with me for life as well! Just like Hottie did, and now femka as well..

[GreyhoundGirl]

Yea, because you know I'd die if I got cut off of Zubin and Galina pics ... They're adorable together! A cute couple if they weren't family

[applesmom]

Thank you, I knew you'd get it!

So we both agree that it was a good thing for both of those dogs to have the opportunity to be re-homed with you as a loving and responsible pet owner?

[borzoimom]

I am sorry applesmom- but the fact is, this whole thread was not presented like " I have a new puppy- here he is".. but rather- well this one wont work " get rid of him".. and being replaced by a dog that is at least AT LEAST 8 months before pullling training can start..
Dogs are NOT disposable- I have two in my house now to prove that.. Even Femka came here as borzois are rare in rescue, with most breeders with years of waiting lists, and with me back to days in work, Hottie needed a companion as well as us wanting another borzoi....
NOTHING on this thread was presented at first of here is a new puppy- it was presented as this one doesnt work- toss him out!
With Galina now offically added into the house, if something happens, she would live here- if I have to make more room for another show bitch- FINE- but she WOULD LIVE HERE! SAme with Zubin- and now coming Feb 10th- SAME WITH MAJOR!

[critter crazy]

think this is all out of control. What is done is done, and there is nothing that any of us are going to be able to do about it! so coul we pleas just drop all of this???