I realize I said I would not respond to this thread again but I feel the need to very strongly!

Originally posted by Ann

Let me start off my reply with a quote from one of your presidents; "Those who would give up their essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.". This was said by Benjamin Franklin.

Response: The key to this phrase is ESSENTIAL liberty. If you can tell me how internet porn is an ESSENTIAL liberty then I will tell you I am being foolish! ESSENTIAL to me means necessary... something vital to humanity's well being such as where you work, where you worship, who you associate with or marry. ESSENTIAL means to me that it has to be something indespensible for the betterment of all mankind. I do not see internet porn as being something that is for the betterment of our society. Purchasing temporary safety in Ben Franklin's quote did not refer to internet porn in any way. He was talking about those who would not fight for democracy but cowarded for the safety of Englands rule when we were a fighting to become a nation independant of Englands rule. He was actually addressing those who surcombed to the King of Englands wishes during the American revolutionary war but wanted to still receive the benefits of living in the new American democracy.


Originally posted by Ann

Then let me ask you, how did I FLAME you?! A flame is saying things like "go to hell you stupid moron yadda yadda" or whatever, what I said was just voicing my opinion and HARDLY a flame. Furthermore you are acting like I called you a bad parent; when in reality all I did was say a "witty" quote said about the V-chip which REMINDED me of this whole discussion.


Response:
I took this to indicate that because my son hit a porn site I was not watching him closely enough on the computer. If this was not your intention, then I apologize.


Originally posted by Ann

And how can you act like this has to do with YOUR freedom? This is my biggest problem with discussion like this, it's "freedom" as long as it's something YOU like!! Just because you hate porn doesn't mean those people don't deserve THEIR freedom to have sites like that on the net.

Response:
So is it freedom because someone decides they think it's right even if they hurt other people in the long run? Where do you draw the line? If it is freedom just because someone thinks they have the right to do it then why is murder not a freedom. Why is drinking and driving not a freedom? Why is child molestation not a freedom? It is not freedom just because it is something I like. It is freedom because it is for the well being of all mankind who live under democratic rule. That is why we have the checks and balance system in the USA. To make sure that someone doesn't misconstrue what is a freedom and what is not.


Originally posted by Ann

And sorry to say this, but for you to say that it's not as big deal for the porn owners to give up their domain names just shows that you really know a little about this. Domains are extremely hard to come by these days cause everything's already been registered and a domain name is a trademark, people know it by that name. To force people to give up their property and get some new extension is silly and would not even do any good at all!

Response:
I do know very well what is involved. I have been a systems engineer for major corporations for the past 18 years. My primary responsibility at my current job is connectivity of subsidiaries all over the world via the internet in numerous corporate sites. I was on the ground floor in TCP/IP when corporations were evolving their internet connections. I have been sent to numerous professional schools to learn all about the world of domain hosting and connectivity. While it may be a temporary inconvience to the porn industry to convert, I place the welfare of innocent children who do not need to have that filth thrown at them from every direction, at a higher value!

Originally posted by Ann

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right?

Response:
No I do not think Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all great. Neither do I think the sneak attach on Pearl Harbor was ok by the Imperial Japanese army. What was done at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an act of war, and act I might add was started by Japan. America was not in the war when they attacked us on our own soil.

My 26 year old son is currently a US Marine. He does not train to go to battle so a few elite people can become more powerful and have more money. He trains so that people who hate America and feel they can come and tear her down like they did on September 11th, 2001 can be stopped. He trains so that we can live and worship without being beaten and killed because of what we believe in. I do appreaciate the sacrifice the soldiers of WWII gave and the soldier of all the other wars. If my son was to die in fighting for his country and did not believe it was to defend our unelienable rights as human beings, then his death is for nothing. That is sadder than any other thing I can think of.

Ann, I do not know anything about you and choose not to get in a word battle with you. I have studied the Revolutionary War and the history behind the Declaration of Independance. I know the history of our Civil War and also know probably more than any of these the history of WWII. I know who I will vote for and why. I do not take my patriotism lightly. I still salute our flag when our National Anthem is sung and stand at attention when it passes by in a parade. I am an American and will also stand to defend my country not for money or power but because I believe in what she stands for! America did not come into existance so the pedifiles could get an easier shot at our children through internet pornography.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Originally posted by Ann

Sorry... This is just so silly of us.

Response:

Finally a statement we can agree on!!