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  1. #1
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    I have to say that An owner needs to keep their dog on their property, for the dogs safety as well as others. But I also have to say, that I have chickens, and have had dogs come onto my property. None so far have hurt my chickens but thye have chased them. I could never Hurt a dog, for chasing my chickens, or killing one for that matter! I would definitely be upset, and would confront the dogs owner, but i couldnt shoot it!! Heck last summer, my own dog killed one of my chickens, i sure as heck didnt shoot my own dog!! I had a dog in my yard yesterday, I had never seen this dog beore, but not ten minutes went by before the owner was there to collect his dog. He was upset that the dog got out, and was even more upset at the thought that the dog might hurt one of my birds. We are surounded by dogs, and sometimes they get loose, but crap happens. Heck i will admit that my dog has escaped his yard a couple of times.

    If the dog was bothering this gentle man, he could have just called animal control to come and get it. Simple as that! There was no need to shoot penny.
    Maggie,

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    My parents have a dog who likes to escape and run around the neighborhod too, and you know what? She is NEVER allowed outdoors unattended (Or offlead for that matter), because the backyard fence does not prevent her from getting into the neighbor's yards. It is simply being a responsible pet owner.

    I am sorry for your loss, but if he had already complained to the police about the dog being on his property you had plenty of warning. No doubt he could have handled the situation without killing the dog, but I still think the fault lies with the owners who knowingly allowed the dog to run loose.

    Thank you Wolf_Q!

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    I have mixed feelings about this situation, but it sure does seem to me that he was a little too extreme in his actions. If people can simply shoot a dog that's not posing a threat, that means anyone can shoot any dog at any time for no reason. That's kind of scary, IMO. People like this man have too much pent up rage, and not to mention owning guns....it's just scary. People make mistakes. Dogs can get loose accidentally, and when there's other factors in play like someone else watching your dog, little kids...etc, I can honestly see how something like that can happen.

    My sister lives on 18 acres in the country, and I agree with Penny's Owner, that it is typical for dogs to be roaming. I'm not saying that I agree with that, because I'm a strong believer of keeping dogs inside/or in a yard with a fence, but I can also see how accidents can happen. One of my sister's dogs got out of their fenced yard, and got hit by a car.

    Personally, I think this man should be charged for the DUI and also for animal cruelty. If Penny wasn't doing anything threatening to him or his chickens, then his actions were way over the top. Allowing people to simply shoot animals in their yard is scary. I just don't agree with that, unless you're being attacked or are in danger and need to protect yourself.

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    Whether or not it is common practice to let dogs run wild there, it is still unsafe and illegal. Just because it is a popular thing to do does not mean it is the right thing to do, and having other large dogs running loose certainly didn't make it any safer for Penny to be running loose.


    I am genuinely curious to know the forensic and ballistics expertise of your animal cruelty 'expert'. Maybe it is just me, but I am always extra-untrusting of anonymous authoritative sources. It really wouldn't take an exceptionally powerful and large caliber weapon to make a real mess out of a small breed dog's body. Even then, I am sure that what you had to face with Penny's body (assuming you are actually the owner, that is) was horrid and highly upsetting, but even your 'expert' says it was not something that would legally qualify as torture or mutilation, which they pretty much needed for the felony arrest.

    It is a very sad situation, and all sad situations have lots of extenuating circumstances and justifications and excuses that can be made... but you knew there was a problem for at LEAST a month, and you just waited until it cost Penny her life. Right or wrong, that IS what you chose and did. You knew he had a problem with Penny being an annoyance, you knew she was running rampant, and you did not fix the problem for more than a month. You say you are working on a remedy now... after the 'lesson learned', but after already bringing a new pup home. I suppose that is good, but it is still a little worrisome.

    I really do feel for you. What an awful way to lose a dog, and I can think of very few things that I would hate to do more than have to tell two little ones their pet was gone, especially this time of year... but it concerns me that you have another dog already and don't seem to be accepting any responsibility here. Your neighbor is a monster, your mother is negligent, all your other neighbors are just as bad about their dogs, and so on... all I can say is that you have a huge responsibility for your new puppy. You, not your mother or anyone who happens to live nearby, are responsible for this puppy. Please keep him or her safe and contained and under control.

  5. #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PennysOwner
    Maybe you have no idea what it is like to be on ONE INCOME with two children and tons of bills from all the home repairs we put on credit cards.....BUT WE TRIED OUR BEST.
    Are you serious? You honestly think no one on this board has ever been on one income with two children? There are folks on here, I'm sure with NO income, with four children, etc. There's are folks on here who have at times been homeless.

    A dog is a luxury. If you cannot afford to care for a pet properly, don't get one. And keeping a pet contained safely so that it cannot harm itself or other animals or humans is most definately a big part of that responsibility.

    I know I have had financial stuggles and hard times in the past. It NEVER prevented me from taking care of my pets. I commited to them, and caring for them is my responsibility and no one else's.

    You asked people for free fencing, and it seems to me you are implying that it is somehow other people's fault your dog was killed ... because they did not supply you with free fencing quickly enough. I find that absurd. You didn't have to fence your entire yard all at once. There were many, many options your family could have done instead of doing nothing at all while waiting for someone to supply you with free fencing. An X pen, fencing only a small corner to begin with, a tie out, a walk on a $2 leash.
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