New Baby!!!!

[junescrater716]

Maybe I can ask my sis if I can take a couple pics with her digital camera when we get him but I have a better chance with my dad's camera phone. lol

[borzoimom]

That'll work- boy what a face!!! I would have a 100 photos in the first 24 hours... lol..

[junescrater716]

lol!!! Yes "Moe" (thats what I'll call him for now) Is quite a character. The breeder said he was very friendly and playful and fiesty!!

[buttercup132]

We want a pug we found one in the paper, I went online, I chose the pug my dad liked him too so we bought him. End of story. Stop ragging on me saying that I'm a bad person to buy from a breeder. I'm not. Even if it was a BYB I'd be saving the pug from there. Think of it that way.

Everyone tells me that I can't buy from pet stores, local breeders, BYBs, etc. Where are we supposed to get one then? We aren't going to go out and buy a 2,000 dollar show quality pug just so we can have him as a loyal, loving, pet, (Or child ) We also arent't going to go out and adopt a sick, untrained, and old dog. Believe me I'd love to take one in but I couldn't deal with losing an adopted dog a few years later.

I'm not replying on here to bash you I just want to say something about your comment about you saving the puppy IF they were BYB's. I know he's not from a pet store but I wrote this on another thread os I'm just going to copy and paste it.

A puppy sitting in the store looking all sad. But think of where it came from. Most come from puppymills. Where the mother is bred and bred and bre, laying in her own feces, fighting other dogs for food, maybe not even getting food at all, dirty or no water, never getting human attention , never going to the vet, getting beaten.having absesses wich are common because of their living conditions having the pain from those absesses sometimes not being able to lay down from pain. The puppy gets taken away from the mom early so by the time he gets to the pet store he is old enough to be sold. On the way to the store one of it's brothers or sisters die from the living conditions and not being cared for. The little puppy it'self is sick and weak ,nervous and scared. By buying that puppy you are making it so that the mom is bred again right after having those puppies.Your making it so that she has to go through more pain and suffering. If you didnt buy the puppy it would stay in the store. The dogs would stop being bred because the other puppies aren't selling.
The mom would either be put of of her misery or taken to a shelter.
There would be no more puppies dying in the cold no more dogs suffering. So to make a change that big it all gose back to not buying that puppy and supporting the pet store. Yes the puppies need homes to but some will have to suffer in order to save the rest.

Not all dogs from the shelter are old,sick,and untrained. There are programs that alot of shelters are getting into where they send to dogs to the jail and they have imates train the dog basic commands to help their chances of being a dopted better. There is even a show on it called Cell Dogs.

Obviously it would be a little hard to find your specific requirments you want in a shelter I understand that. But I just wanted to clarify that not all and majority dogs aren't what you described in shelters.

Most people on PT have dogs they got from a shelter and they aren't sick, they live just as long and alot of them are very obidient.


Congrads on your new puppy. Is the puppy on the site the one your getting?

[#1Wolflover]

I'm not replying on here to bash you I just want to say something about your comment about you saving the puppy IF they were BYB's. I know he's not from a pet store but I wrote this on another thread os I'm just going to copy and paste it.

A puppy sitting in the store looking all sad. But think of where it came from. Most come from puppymills. Where the mother is bred and bred and bre, laying in her own feces, fighting other dogs for food, maybe not even getting food at all, dirty or no water, never getting human attention , never going to the vet, getting beaten.having absesses wich are common because of their living conditions having the pain from those absesses sometimes not being able to lay down from pain. The puppy gets taken away from the mom early so by the time he gets to the pet store he is old enough to be sold. On the way to the store one of it's brothers or sisters die from the living conditions and not being cared for. The little puppy it'self is sick and weak ,nervous and scared. By buying that puppy you are making it so that the mom is bred again right after having those puppies.Your making it so that she has to go through more pain and suffering. If you didnt buy the puppy it would stay in the store. The dogs would stop being bred because the other puppies aren't selling.
The mom would either be put of of her misery or taken to a shelter.
There would be no more puppies dying in the cold no more dogs suffering. So to make a change that big it all gose back to not buying that puppy and supporting the pet store. Yes the puppies need homes to but some will have to suffer in order to save the rest.

Not all dogs from the shelter are old,sick,and untrained. There are programs that alot of shelters are getting into where they send to dogs to the jail and they have imates train the dog basic commands to help their chances of being a dopted better. There is even a show on it called Cell Dogs.

Obviously it would be a little hard to find your specific requirments you want in a shelter I understand that. But I just wanted to clarify that not all and majority dogs aren't what you described in shelters.

Most people on PT have dogs they got from a shelter and they aren't sick, they live just as long and alot of them are very obidient.


Congrads on your new puppy. Is the puppy on the site the one your getting?

All my dogs are from sheltors and I have 5 happy healthy dogs! True not all dogs from sheltors are sick, in fact I've never met one. But a petstore/puppymil are totally different from a breeder! And this person didn't buy the puppy from a puppymil they bought it from a person who breed there dogs everyonce in while! As for puppymil pups thats different, one of my dogs supposedly ran away from a puppymil (she was extremely skinny and oveously had puppies) I feel sorry for thoses dogs and hope that one day it can be stopped!

[buttercup132]

All my dogs are from sheltors and I have 5 happy healthy dogs! True not all dogs from sheltors are sick, in fact I've never met one. But a petstore/puppymil are totally different from a breeder! And this person didn't buy the puppy from a puppymil they bought it from a person who breed there dogs everyonce in while! As for puppymil pups thats different, one of my dogs supposedly ran away from a puppymil (she was extremely skinny and oveously had puppies) I feel sorry for thoses dogs and hope that one day it can be stopped!

I know BYB's aren't the same as puppymills. But the pet store puppies come from puppymills (MOST of them).

I know she isn't getting her pup from any of those places but I wanted to cear up why it is bad to get a puppy from a pet store, byb or puppymill.

That's good that you rescued all those dogs.

[borzoimom]

Please people- If you know she isnt getting a puppy from these places, then answer for me- or better yet- do not- WHAT does this have to do with Junes new puppy????? Somebody start a new thread on this subject of whatever- and keep junes puppy OUT OF it..

[buttercup132]

Please people- If you know she isnt getting a puppy from these places, then answer for me- or better yet- do not- WHAT does this have to do with Junes new puppy????? Somebody start a new thread on this subject of whatever- and keep junes puppy OUT OF it..

Because she said she dosne't see a problem with getting a pup from a pet store or puppymill and considers it saving a life. It doesn't have to do with her puppy she is getting but it still isn't right to think that way. What would be the point on making a whole new thread when the topic is still relavent to the OS. I know in my replies above I didn't incorperate her new puppy into them.

[caseysmom]

Junes...to end my posting on this thread on a positive note...

My bubba was not from a reputable breeder and he is a love...no health problems so far (not with my shelter dog that I have had for years either) but he is a sweet lovely dog.

I wish you happiness with the new addition to your family, please remember everyone is just trying to convince you, I don't think anyone is trying to attack you.

Yes we do need pictures

[#1Wolflover]

I know BYB's aren't the same as puppymills. But the pet store puppies come from puppymills (MOST of them).

I know she isn't getting her pup from any of those places but I wanted to cear up why it is bad to get a puppy from a pet store, byb or puppymill.

That's good that you rescued all those dogs.

I refuse to buy pups from puppymills, cute as they maybe they benefit the puppymills, and I couldn't think staright knowing I helped a puppymill.

[TFTpwnsYou]

I just went through all of the posts. Junes, just ignore the people with nothing nice to say. I know your situation, and I'm happy for you and the puppy. And don't worry I'm a mean person like you since I didn't adpot either of mine. The puppy is in good hands, and I'm glad you found the one that fits perfect with you. 5 days if I read right?

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

You guys, why bother repeating the same things over and over again? Seriously. You all know that she nor her family is going to change their minds. Yes, BYBs are bad and we all know that. I'm sure she understands the point you're all trying to get across. They are going to get the puppy regardless. There's nothing we can do about it. Just be glad the pup will be in a good home and won't end up in the shelter - as a lot do.

As far as all this "why don't you adopt?" stuff goes, why can't you all just drop that subject as well? It makes it seem as though everyone getting their dog even from either a BYB or a reputable breeder are awful, horrible people. She's obviously not getting her dog from a reputable breeder, but I'm just sick of hearing "adopt, adopt, adopt!" all the time. It's not for everyone, myself included. She's already stated reasons as to why she doesn't want to/can't adopt. Why is it that some of you have to go on and on and on about all the wrong things she's doing and you can't just be happy for her? I kind of know how she feels as I've gone through the same thing on other boards about my choice to go to a (wonderful, excellent) breeder instead of adopting my next dog and it certainly is not enjoyable to listen to.

I'm not trying to stand up for her or say it's right to get a pup from a BYB, but I think the entire thread has gotten way out of hand and everyone is just repeating themselves. You're all (well, most of you) making her sound like an awful person about this chocie to purchase the pup (I know you weren't trying to, you were all just educating, but that's the way it's coming across - or atleast thats how I see it anyway). You also have to remember that she herself is not buying the dog...her parents/Dad is.

[borzoimom]

I just went through all of the posts. Junes, just ignore the people with nothing nice to say. I know your situation, and I'm happy for you and the puppy. And don't worry I'm a mean person like you since I didn't adpot either of mine. The puppy is in good hands, and I'm glad you found the one that fits perfect with you. 5 days if I read right?

OH WELL JEEZ- TFTPWNSYOU- If you are a "mean person" then I flat out must be HORRID!!! (ROFLMAO).. Three of my current dogs are from dog breeders, and so is the coming collie. Technically- so is the 4th Borzoi- out of the top international kennel in the World for Borzois-, out of the Borzoi Rescue- and she has the health problems Miss Top Breeder in the world-... Saying BYB's are bad is one thing- saying this breeder qualifies for this is another...