New Baby!!!!

[BC_MoM]

Geez, it's Christmas, you guys! Let's keep PT a happy place!! If you want to offer advice to this person and try to deter them from buying this puppy, please PM them rather than starting a heated conversation.

Most of you know should, anyway, that no matter what you say, you won't change their mind.

[areias]

Okay, I WAS going to bite my tongue..but nah, everyone else has jumped in so why don't I.

Congrats on your puppy, it's really exciting to be getting a new member of the household.

People are urging you to get a puppy from the shelter. I think that option should be searched first...check and see if what you want is at the shelter. If not, then by all means go to a breeder. I feel that it is the same-they mismarked pugs at the shelter too. I mean, there's really no difference, and there is still the question of health. I mean, I was going to get a Vizsla from a breeder before I got Zoie...but I fell in love with Zoie, and she ended up having luxating patellas, and I got her from the shelter. There's no predictability to follow, if you get what I mean. I DO ask that most people spay and neuter their pets though, which is one reason I'm not totally fond of BYBs themselves, as there is no contract usually.

I don't think anyone ever asked me where I got Romeo, and I didn't really say b/c I didn't want this issue. I got him from a lady who had two unregistered ACDs and bred them. I guess she's considered a BYB. However, I was unable to adopt from a rescue or shelter due to stricter adopting rules (ridiculous) and I couldn't find what I wanted in "free to good home" ads or asking around. I also kind of wanted a purebred for once, for whatever reason. He was cheap, too. I really didn't have the money to go to a wonderful breeder, and spend $1000 on a pup. When it comes time to get my dobie, then yes I will be very particular given I have set standards when it comes to that breed, but I just wanted a companion for Zoie and myself. I want to spend the extra money on supplies and such. He already had two sets of shots, too, as well as his parents were vaccinated and well taken care of.

So anyways, I think it's fine she's getting a puppy from them. If she dosen't, someone else will...so what's the difference?

Pet shops and puppy mills are totally a different story.

[junescrater716]

We've looked into puppies at the local shelters but like Mr.C said They're gone in a blink of an eye. We already sent out the deposit and the pug is coming Friday. No one will change our mind unless we see the pug and decide we don't want him. Probably won't happen but we'll just play be ear. Thanks Mr.C for your support!!!!

[mr.chiwawa]

No problem Junes I got mine from a breeder and yes i paid more money then i would have at a shelter but i have piece of mind of knowing his parents and meeting them knowing where he is comming from. Who cares if he is mismarked the poor pup doesnt know he is and all he wants is a loving and caring home. I have no doubt that is excatly what you and your family will give him.
Good luck with him and feel free to im me anytime if you need a little extra support
Chi hugs

[Lilith Cherry]

He is an adorable puppy who will be loved and cared for in your home. I wish you great joy from your new little boy!

[Sophist]

For those who are ragging Junes... it isn't even her decision. Her father is the one who chose this puppy. If she says they did try the shelter route, I guess that is good enough for me. I totally advocate adoption, but I personally currently own 2 from a breeder and only one pound puppy.

That said, I am going to join in on hating on this girl and her puppy... but only out of jealousy. I'd love to have a pug of my own someday.


Junes, congrats, and take good care of this little guy. Make him feel safe and loved. I hope you work it out so we can see pictures of him when he gets home.

[junescrater716]

Thanks guys!!! 5 days left!!!!!!! Be expecting a lot more of these until he comes lol

[bckrazy]

So anyways, I think it's fine she's getting a puppy from them. If she dosen't, someone else will...so what's the difference?

Wow.

I hope you know that BYB's produce the majority of the overpopulation. There IS a difference, because less demand = less supply.

Good luck with your puppy June, anywho. I'm sure he is adorable & I hope he will turn out really healthy & happy.

[borzoimom]

Wow.

I hope you know that BYB's produce the majority of the overpopulation. There IS a difference, because less demand = less supply.

Good luck with your puppy June, anywho. I'm sure he is adorable & I hope he will turn out really healthy & happy.

And I am sure he will be.. And she would take NOTHING but the VERY BEST of care for her new puppy- as well as the one she has now..

bckrazy- the fact is over 3/4 of the dogs in shelters are mix breeds of mix breeds. People that have a mix, do not spay or neuter because " its just a mutt" mentality and " not worth the money...".Its also a sick fact most "pure bred" dogs are better cared for. " ITs a Pure Bred" mentality. Both attitudes are inexcuseable- but also sad and true.
Breed rescues account for some the placements, but the fact is, the bulk of dogs that come to breed rescues were contacted from the owners- not the shelters.. In addition, a " pure bred" is more likely to be adopted.
And PLEASE understand, as stated several times now- she WANTS a Pug- and a black one..

[junescrater716]

Anyways for all of you saying that it's a waste to buy from a breeder, and that I should buy from a shelter YOU'RE WRONG!!! Most of the dogs that come into the shelter here are sick and will die within the first 5 years of buying them.

We want a pug we found one in the paper, I went online, I chose the pug my dad liked him too so we bought him. End of story. Stop ragging on me saying that I'm a bad person to buy from a breeder. I'm not. Even if it was a BYB I'd be saving the pug from there. Think of it that way.

Everyone tells me that I can't buy from pet stores, local breeders, BYBs, etc. Where are we supposed to get one then? We aren't going to go out and buy a 2,000 dollar show quality pug just so we can have him as a loyal, loving, pet, (Or child ) We also arent't going to go out and adopt a sick, untrained, and old dog. Believe me I'd love to take one in but I couldn't deal with losing an adopted dog a few years later.

Pugs are VERY hard to come by and those who own them know that for a fact. Breeders/Pet Stores are really the ONLY places to find them. Not to be mean or rude but I've been standing by watching people call me disgusting and other things because I'm adopting from a breeder. I only want POSITIVE thoughts. Nothing negative because that hurts and we already basically have him. So please back off a little. Thank you.

[bckrazy]

Most of the dogs that come into the shelter here are sick and will die within the first 5 years of buying them.

Both of my dogs are from rescue, and they are the healthiest, happiest, most well-adjusted pups I could ask for. thankyou. =]

There IS such a thing as reputable breeders, you know. Check out the Pug breed club, they have 100's of references to good breeders in EVERY STATE.

Supporting a BYB might be saving that one life, but it also ensures that the breeder continues to pump out puppies that add to the devastating overpopulation. Pugs are part of the country's overpopulation, too.

Of course you wouldn't buy a $2000 show Pug. But for a few $100 more, you could easily find a pet quality Pug pup from a reputable breeder who shows the parents & tests them as well. Of course you have the right to buy from who ever you want to, just as I have the right to try to encourage you to look into reputable breeders instead. I would never bash you for wanting to buy a pup from a breeder, I just question the breeder you are buying from, and I would be shocked if any dog lover did not believe that reputable breeders are the only responsible way to buy a pup.

Pugs on Petfinder: 682

[junescrater716]

Borzoimom- 5 days!!! YAY!!!

bckrazy- Are you saying now that I'm not a true dog lover???

[borzoimom]

YOu are getting on a " soup box" that doesnt even apply here. If you want to open a thread on BYB's- go ahead, but it doesnt belong here. As a matter of fact- go ahead, because on that forum I want to ask you a series of questions about your dogs..
Enough - JUNESCRATER- CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW ADDITION- AND HOW MANY DAYS is it now????? lol

[bckrazy]

As a matter of fact- go ahead, because on that forum I want to ask you a series of questions about your dogs..

Go for it. PM or you can create a different thread.

[caseysmom]

YOu are getting on a " soup box" that doesnt even apply here. If you want to open a thread on BYB's- go ahead, but it doesnt belong here. As a matter of fact- go ahead, because on that forum I want to ask you a series of questions about your dogs..
Enough - JUNESCRATER- CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW ADDITION- AND HOW MANY DAYS is it now????? lol

Whats a soup box???? Is that like a soup can??? hehe


Erica...my biggest problem is I think about our family and bubba, as you know we were looking for a small dog and had looked high and low at shelter so I bought from what was most likely a byb. I have a lot of guilt because if we had taken one from a shelter instead that would have accomplished two things, 1. it would have discouraged byb in our area if they don't have customers and 2. it would have made a place for another dog in a shelter and saved a life.

I have learned a lot from many people on this board, many younger than myself but I never get too proud to listen, I certainly don't know everything about all subjects just because I am older. I highly replect bccrazy on this subject, she is just trying to help the animals.