Semavi---I was fascinated by your post, but was at a total loss. I think I will have to take down all your info and do a bit of studying since all this business of white shepherds is so involved. It's just that from the picture of the white shepherd the poster showed it seemed overly long and the structure doesn't really fit the standard that i know. Everyone always said that you should always breed to improve the breed. I just didn't understand a breeding with white shepherds I guess. off to do my studying. Thanks for all the info.