New Baby!!!!

[buttercup132]

yeah. no certifications. and Pugs are one of the most pre-disposed breeds to hip/elbow/patella/breathing/eye problems. good luck with your puppy, you are taking a total crapshoot, but whatev.

Im kind of shocked by how apathetic this board has become. =|

I couldn't agree more, I dittio all your post but I don't get it, it seems like people are just stopping and letting this happen instead of trying to convince the person not to get the dog like they used to.(Not saying everyone)

Pugs would be the dog to make sure the parents are all health certified because of all the possible health problems and if not bred right you can imagine those issues worsen making it cost more for you in vet bills. Someone said ( I can't remember who)
" It's better to spend the money on a health certified healthy puppy then to pay double the cost of the dog back in vet bills from a cheap "breeder". "

Why didn't you go to a shelter?

[borzoimom]

Buttercup- opinions aside- but you do not know what you are talking about. This breeder is far from it, and quite frankly... jeez... New members or not- you FAIL to understand people have experiences outside of this site- and this is not the first time you have come after someone based on how long they have been a member HERE.. I am also reporting your post to Karen..

[applesmom]

It's up now under this topic Dogs General.

[borzoimom]

It's up now under this topic Dogs General.

Ahhhhhhhh I just found it - thank you applesmom! I love your posts- always have!

[BaileysMom]

I am a 'newer' member here and have never understood the whole BYB thing.. yes I know what goes on in them and know that the dogs most likely will have health problems and stuff but in all honesty I don't see anything wrong with adopting a BYB puppy other than the fact that you're 'supporting' it by giving the BYB money.. but as for the dogs themselves they deserve to be loved too just as much if not more than 'respectable bred pups'. They've lived horrible lives and deserve any love anyone can find in their heart to give. Don't just push them aside or 'dispose of them'. All that is is murdering an innocent dog just because it has health issues. That's no better than 'disposing of' a disabled child!

[applesmom]

I am a 'newer' member here and have never understood the whole BYB thing.. yes I know what goes on in them and know that the dogs most likely will have health problems and stuff but in all honesty I don't see anything wrong with adopting a BYB puppy other than the fact that you're 'supporting' it by giving the BYB money.. but as for the dogs themselves they deserve to be loved too just as much if not more than 'respectable bred pups'. They've lived horrible lives and deserve any love anyone can find in their heart to give. Don't just push them aside or 'dispose of them'. All that is is murdering an innocent dog just because it has health issues. That's no better than 'disposing of' a disabled child!

I have a response for this comment too, but I'm not going to get into it here.
If someone wants to start another discussion regarding BYB and let junescrater enjoy talking about her puppy, that would be great.

[borzoimom]

By the way- puppies can have a "cow lick" on the muzzle and it is totally normal..

[borzoimom]

Even in the best of breedings, mismarks can occur. That just means the dog can not be shown in confirmation. I had a well bred poodle when I was a child ( the reason I got into showing dogs in the first place....) and she had a tiny white spot on her chest. She also was the best obedience dog I ever or ever will have- . I got her when I was 8 years old, and the whole reason I got serious about dogs from her success in the obedience ring- etc.
I am not even totally convinced its a white strip. It looks like a cow lick as the hair reverses. Sometimes as the head grows, this becomes more normal in appearance.
In any reason- shape or form- junes wants another pug- has talked about it for over a year, and even said several times she hoped she could find a black one. Its her pet, and we all have the right to have the breed we want- alias the reason we even have breeds...

[mr.chiwawa]

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Why didn't you go to a shelter?

I dont understand all the negitive karma. If that's what she wants why do you people have to be sooo nasty and mean. The breeder that I got my Chi from isnt "well known" but they are the kindest most helpful women I have ever met. And about going to a shelter ..do you know how hard it is it find a smaller breed at one. They are gone in a blink of an eye. And on another note I dont belive in my heats of hearts that her father or her for that matter would get the puppy if they had the slightest doubt that it wasnt a good situation.So just back off is it your money or your home? No then all the negitivaty isnt nesscary.
He is a beautful puppy and I hope you enjoy him...

[BC_MoM]

Geez, it's Christmas, you guys! Let's keep PT a happy place!! If you want to offer advice to this person and try to deter them from buying this puppy, please PM them rather than starting a heated conversation.

Most of you know should, anyway, that no matter what you say, you won't change their mind.

[areias]

Okay, I WAS going to bite my tongue..but nah, everyone else has jumped in so why don't I.

Congrats on your puppy, it's really exciting to be getting a new member of the household.

People are urging you to get a puppy from the shelter. I think that option should be searched first...check and see if what you want is at the shelter. If not, then by all means go to a breeder. I feel that it is the same-they mismarked pugs at the shelter too. I mean, there's really no difference, and there is still the question of health. I mean, I was going to get a Vizsla from a breeder before I got Zoie...but I fell in love with Zoie, and she ended up having luxating patellas, and I got her from the shelter. There's no predictability to follow, if you get what I mean. I DO ask that most people spay and neuter their pets though, which is one reason I'm not totally fond of BYBs themselves, as there is no contract usually.

I don't think anyone ever asked me where I got Romeo, and I didn't really say b/c I didn't want this issue. I got him from a lady who had two unregistered ACDs and bred them. I guess she's considered a BYB. However, I was unable to adopt from a rescue or shelter due to stricter adopting rules (ridiculous) and I couldn't find what I wanted in "free to good home" ads or asking around. I also kind of wanted a purebred for once, for whatever reason. He was cheap, too. I really didn't have the money to go to a wonderful breeder, and spend $1000 on a pup. When it comes time to get my dobie, then yes I will be very particular given I have set standards when it comes to that breed, but I just wanted a companion for Zoie and myself. I want to spend the extra money on supplies and such. He already had two sets of shots, too, as well as his parents were vaccinated and well taken care of.

So anyways, I think it's fine she's getting a puppy from them. If she dosen't, someone else will...so what's the difference?

Pet shops and puppy mills are totally a different story.

[junescrater716]

We've looked into puppies at the local shelters but like Mr.C said They're gone in a blink of an eye. We already sent out the deposit and the pug is coming Friday. No one will change our mind unless we see the pug and decide we don't want him. Probably won't happen but we'll just play be ear. Thanks Mr.C for your support!!!!

[mr.chiwawa]

No problem Junes I got mine from a breeder and yes i paid more money then i would have at a shelter but i have piece of mind of knowing his parents and meeting them knowing where he is comming from. Who cares if he is mismarked the poor pup doesnt know he is and all he wants is a loving and caring home. I have no doubt that is excatly what you and your family will give him.
Good luck with him and feel free to im me anytime if you need a little extra support
Chi hugs

[Lilith Cherry]

He is an adorable puppy who will be loved and cared for in your home. I wish you great joy from your new little boy!

[bckrazy]

So anyways, I think it's fine she's getting a puppy from them. If she dosen't, someone else will...so what's the difference?

Wow.

I hope you know that BYB's produce the majority of the overpopulation. There IS a difference, because less demand = less supply.

Good luck with your puppy June, anywho. I'm sure he is adorable & I hope he will turn out really healthy & happy.